Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[SkipRat]

It’s in black and white above mate. You said:

“Of course according to you these cultures are on par with those that protect women rights”

The point you have failed to grasp is cultures are not something you play Top Trumps with. They far more nuanced than that. All cultures have aspects that are abhorrent, delightful, unique etc.

My tip to you: stay clear of the real **** who propagate bu11brick online painting false pictures.

You clearly sympathise or voted for Brexit - so quite frankly you’re the mug. Research shows that people prefer the European migrants to those from further afield. Which is what you’ve voted for Now suck it up. And stop believe the **** like Farage who lied to you. Brexit made immigration worse, not better. And we can thank you and cun1s like Farrage for it.

Brexit made immigration worse. Nah, Brexit didn't make immigration worse. An incompetent government made it worse and they go obliterated at the election for it. Like I said in my post above, migration is used as a fix all by lazy governments completely devoid of idea's how to fix the country, like the NHS.

Brexit gave the government the opportunity to have proper immigration, that was sustainable and a benefit to the country.

Brexit provided the opportunity, it was down to government to take advantage of it and they didn't. Then they got obliterated in the election because of it, as I said.

It's not a hard concept to understand.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Brexit made immigration worse. Nah, Brexit didn't make immigration worse. An incompetent government made it worse and they go obliterated at the election for it. Like I said in my post above, migration is used as a fix all by lazy governments completely devoid of idea's how to fix the country, like the NHS.

Brexit gave the government the opportunity to have proper immigration, that was sustainable and a benefit to the country.

Brexit provided the opportunity, it was down to government to take advantage of it and they didn't. Then they got obliterated in the election because of it, as I said.

It's not a hard concept to understand.

Brexit was widely thought to “get the job done” by stopping unlimited inflows from EU citizens. However, in the post-Brexit years, immigration has soared to unprecedented levels. Net immigration, which hovered around 200,000 in pre-Brexit years skyrocketed to an all-time high of 745,000 in 2022.

So Nige promised you less migrants, but you got a lot more and from further away. Nige promised you more money for the NHS. But in real terms there’s less money to go round as we trade less and lose a few businesses and tax revenue to the single market.

Let’s be open an honest about this. You’ve got a less white UK due to Brexit, less tax revenue to pay for stuff as we lost a bit of trade, and literally no upsides at all. Just admit it, and stop believing the cun1s who sold you the lie in the first place.

 

[thfcsteff]

The bolded bit is just a conspiracy theory, and concerns over mass immigration go back before 1997 election, regarding the free movement people and a whole punch of countries joining the EU. Nothing to do with Russia, just that over 200,000 year net migration per year is completely unsustainable and even the most educated in the country knew it was wrong, even if they couldn't articulate better than a bumble brain.

And no, they don't get played by Farage and Robinson, they maybe be repugnant people, but they are raising serious questions and concerns.

Even in Europe, the influx of mass migration has unsettled so many countries, due to the consequences , crime and *struggle cuddle* has gone up across Europe backed up by studies, not newspapers. Like this study from Sweden

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20961790.2020.1868681

With 47.7% of rapes committed by migrants, with majority of those committed by North Africa/Middle east accounting for 34.5% of rapes, and African's 19.1%, so over 50% of rapes by migrants from these two areas. This is repeated all across Europe. This is not Russian interference, this is what is actually happening that governments are trying to sweep under carpet... Nothing to see here. Even in the UK, it is still swept under that carpet.

And anyone who raises issues is far right, according Starmer. Lets not listen to these people who children are getting harrassed in the street and crime going up in these areas, just calm them far right.

The culture war was started by the left, stop rewriting history.

Why don't you actually READ your Swedish study instead of just throwing it up there and saying 'there, see?' You have extrapolated (out of context I might add) figures which suit your agenda/fears. In doing so, you are a key part of the problem which prevents open discussions happening.


Here's another thing I find with people who take your path/POV and live by it; they genuinely believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a 'lefty' who has no interest in discussing/finding solutions for the various issues which current population levels/immigration need addressing. Many of us absolutely do, but I'm not getting into discussions with anyone who just wants to throw the blame for sexual assault and crime predominantly at the feet of immigrants.

As for that last sentence about 'rewriting history'...come on. Please. Do better!!!!

BTW...my mother was an immigrant (100% Irish). My father was an immigrant (100% Iranian). My wife and daughter have both suffered sexual assaults. Neither had anything to do with 'immigrants' or 'migrants', they were committed by 'locals'. As are the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults whatever bricky decontextualized 'statistics' you want to form-fit to your agenda.

Again, it just doesn't feel like you're interested in a discussion more than propegating your own (from what I see) very narrow lane of fears and views.

 

[SkipRat]

Why don't you actually READ your Swedish study instead of just throwing it up there and saying 'there, see?' You have extrapolated (out of context I might add) figures which suit your agenda/fears. In doing so, you are a key part of the problem which prevents open discussions happening.

This fear-mongering fear-mongering drip drip drip fudges me off. You're not interested in a discussion; own it.

Here's another thing I find with people who take this path and live by it; they genuinely believe that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a 'lefty' who has no interest in discussing/finding solutions for the various issues which current population levels/immigration need addressing. Many of us absolutely do, but I'm not getting into discussions with anyone who just wants to throw the blame for sexual assault and crime predominantly at the feet of immigrants.

As for that last sentence...laughable. In fact, I have to wonder if you're a troll. One thing's for sure, you like to throw it around without much substance, so here's one back at you.

Finally...my mother was an immigrant (100% Irish). My father was an immigrant (100% Iranian). My wife and daughter have both suffered sexual assaults. Neither had anything to do with 'immigrants' or 'migrants', they were committed by 'locals'. As are the vast majority of rapes and sexual assaults whatever bricky decontextualized 'statistics' you want to form-fit to your agenda.

If you want a discussion then have a discussion.
But it seems to me that all you want is to 'convince' people that world is in a mess because of lefties and immigrants...

Overseas/migrant rapists accounted for 47.7% of rapes, of this 47.7%, 34.5 % by north African and middle eastern, 19.1% by the sub-Saharan Africa.

They be the figures. They are something like 4-1 more likely to *struggle cuddle* than local men, when compared to the % of population. Sorry your wife and daughter got assaulted, but it doesn't change the figures, it doesn't mean that locals are not going assault women, it just means that men from these areas are more likely to assault women, studies in Germany and Finland show the same things.

And I think it is disgusting that you are using the assaults of wife and daughter in attempt to guilt trip me over providing facts, even if you don't like them. As if what happened gives you special privledges that your opinions are more important. It doesn't, if your they are factually wrong, they are factually wrong. Regardless of what happened to your wife and daughter.

Surely you wouldn't want this to happen to other girls, so why do want policies that increase that risk?

The culture war was started by the left, and it crept over from America and started with CRT many years ago, white guilt, white privige and all that other garbage that was starting to creep into everything. Also, if you have been reading my posts, which clearly you haven't, I have been blaming the government for the state of the country and using migrants as a fix all to solve the countries problems. Because governments have be run by people who have put the interests of investors over the quality of life for people.

And yes, the left are the big problem, they have seem to have lost the plot over the recent years, and common sense

 

[SkipRat]

Brexit was widely thought to “get the job done” by stopping unlimited inflows from EU citizens. However, in the post-Brexit years, immigration has soared to unprecedented levels. Net immigration, which hovered around 200,000 in pre-Brexit years skyrocketed to an all-time high of 745,000 in 2022.

So Nige promised you less migrants, but you got a lot more and from further away. Nige promised you more money for the NHS. But in real terms there’s less money to go round as we trade less and lose a few businesses and tax revenue to the single market.

Let’s be open an honest about this. You’ve got a less white UK due to Brexit, less tax revenue to pay for stuff as we lost a bit of trade, and literally no upsides at all. Just admit it, and stop believing the cun1s who sold you the lie in the first place.

And pre 1997 before the EU expanded it's borders migration was at 30-50,000 a year. Even 200,000 a year is unacceptably high.

Yes you are correct, that is exactly what happened and as I said previously. That was not the result of Brexit, but rather and incompetent government that didn't take advantages of the freedoms it was given.

Nothing to with Brexit, everything to do with government.

As I said in my posts earlier regarding the NHS, the government is using migrants as a fix all to the country's problems. The Tory party in their stupidity decide to let in 1.5 million migrants to kick start the economy.

Now tell me if I am wrong, if you want to boost the economy, then how about fixing the housing problem first. For example, £400 a month for a 1 bed flat on social, or £800 - £1000 pm for private rent costs. Shared accommodation is £600-£700 a month where I am, and I am nowhere near London... For a 3 bed place, near me, some families are paying £8000+ extra a year in rent for private than social.... And the only thing the government can think to do is bring in more 1.5 million people to boost the economy?

The countries woes have nothing to do with Brexit, it problems go back decades and the complete lack of vision for the future and massive protection racket that is the housing the market. The biggest beneficiaries of which are MP's and foreign investors.

Like I said... It's a simple concept, the rise in migration has nothing to do with Brexit, it's all down to government.

 

[thfcsteff]

Overseas/migrant rapists accounted for 47.7% of rapes, of this 47.7%, 34.5 % by north African and middle eastern, 19.1% by the sub-Saharan Africa.

They be the figures. They are something like 4-1 more likely to *struggle cuddle* than local men, when compared to the % of population. Sorry your wife and daughter got assaulted, but it doesn't change the figures, it doesn't mean that locals are not going assault women, it just means that men from these areas are more likely to assault women, studies in Germany and Finland show the same things.

And I think it is disgusting that you are using the assaults of wife and daughter in attempt to guilt trip me over providing facts, even if you don't like them. As if what happened gives you special privledges that your opinions are more important. It doesn't, if your they are factually wrong, they are factually wrong. Regardless of what happened to your wife and daughter.

Surely you wouldn't want this to happen to other girls, so why do want policies that increase that risk?

The culture war was started by the left, and it crept over from America and started with CRT many years ago, white guilt, white privige and all that other garbage that was starting to creep into everything. Also, if you have been reading my posts, which clearly you haven't, I have been blaming the government for the state of the country and using migrants as a fix all to solve the countries problems. Because governments have be run by people who have put the interests of investors over the quality of life for people.

And yes, the left are the big problem, they have seem to have lost the plot over the recent years, and common sense

Your disgust means fudge all to me, I hope you revel in it...by the way, if you want a guilt trip, try how disgusting it is that you use your "concern" for *struggle cuddle* victims as a tool/cover for your anti-immigrant rhetoric.

 

[SpurMeUp]

And pre 1997 before the EU expanded it's borders migration was at 30-50,000 a year. Even 200,000 a year is unacceptably high.

Fuk of a lot less than 750,000! Which is what you inadvertently voted for

Yes you are correct, that is exactly what happened and as I said previously. That was not the result of Brexit, but rather and incompetent government that didn't take advantages of the freedoms it was given.

No no nothing is. Brexit had nothing to do with it!

Nothing to with Brexit, everything to do with government.

As I said in my posts earlier regarding the NHS, the government is using migrants as a fix all to the country's problems. The Tory party in their stupidity decide to let in 1.5 million migrants to kick start the economy.

If you close off access to workers from Poland, Romania etc what the fuk did you think would happen!?! Serious ignorance fears. You trusted Farrage. He lied to you. Now you have the consequences. Stop blaming other people for everything. Have a good look at yourself and those cun1s who misled you and are still misleading you today!

Now tell me if I am wrong, if you want to boost the economy, then how about fixing the housing problem first. For example, £400 a month for a 1 bed flat on social, or £800 - £1000 pm for private rent costs. Shared accommodation is £600-£700 a month where I am, and I am nowhere near London... For a 3 bed place, near me, some families are paying £8000+ extra a year in rent for private than social.... And the only thing the government can think to do is bring in more 1.5 million people to boost the economy?

The only party who have any chance or interest in address this is the Labour Party! The Tory’s have too many buy to let’s in their portfolios and donations from house builders who want to keep demand high and supply low.

That you can’t see this obvious reality is concerning.

The countries woes have nothing to do with Brexit, it problems go back decades and the complete lack of vision for the future and massive protection racket that is the housing the market. The biggest beneficiaries of which are MP's and foreign investors.

Like I said... It's a simple concept, the rise in migration has nothing to do with Brexit, it's all down to government.

Yes yes, I know it is hard to accept, but you’ve been served up the very opposite of what you were promised. More migrants. With less ability to leave. Kind of like that poster of them queuing up. That is what Brexit has delivered. Some slight losses to the economy and three quarters of a million net migration. Rather than blame other people, have a good look at the deluded people who made fake promises that didn’t happen. No government could have delivered on fantasy.

Now you have a decent government who will fix things like the housing crisis given some time (years) and all you seek to do is undermine them! Stop following flimflam narratives perpetuated by people who seek to use you. Farrage has made millions off the back of the dissaffected. And all he has delivered is snide flimflam and disharmony. Get behind the Labour Party and don’t waste your time hating.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Brexit was widely thought to “get the job done” by stopping unlimited inflows from EU citizens. However, in the post-Brexit years, immigration has soared to unprecedented levels. Net immigration, which hovered around 200,000 in pre-Brexit years skyrocketed to an all-time high of 745,000 in 2022.

Immigration in general is way to high, because it serves the interests of big business, not society or individuals. Its importing cheap labour and social dumping.

But that specific bump relates primarily to people from Hong Kong and Ukraine, which conversely is exactly what an asylum system should be helping with - people fleeing persecution

 

[SkipRat]

Your disgust means fudge all to me, I hope you revel in it...by the way, if you want a guilt trip, try how disgusting it is that you use your "concern" for *struggle cuddle* victims as a tool/cover for your anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Because that's a factor to think about when letting people into the country... or on the case of the 150,000 who have come by boat, we have no idea who they are, where they are from, they have no id. The vast majority are not refugees, they are economic migrants of working age men.

Yours is full on guilt tripping. Mine is something that governments have to consider when being in power. One of these being thinking about the consequences of policy regarding things like immigration on the safety of British citizens, regardless of who they are.

The vast majority of people, don't have a problem with immigration. What they have a huge problem with is mass, chaotic and uncontrolled immigration when we have no idea who we are letting in. And people like you are no better than the police in Rochdale who ignored young girls for years, describing them as "little slags," and other authorities because they don't want to be seen as racist. Just like the communities that are facing these issues who have raised concerns over crime, approaches to their young daughter by grown men, and increase rapes and sexual assaults. All because everyone wants to bury their head, pretend it is not happening, because they don't want to be seen as racist and living are in denial.

I don't mind immigration, immigration can be a good thing if it is managed correctly and sustainably.

 

[SkipRat]

Fuk of a lot less than 750,000! Which is what you inadvertently voted for

No no nothing is. Brexit had nothing to do with it!

If you close off access to workers from Poland, Romania etc what the fuk did you think would happen!?! Serious ignorance fears. You trusted Farrage. He lied to you. Now you have the consequences. Stop blaming other people for everything. Have a good look at yourself and those cun1s who misled you and are still misleading you today!

The only party who have any chance or interest in address this is the Labour Party! The Tory’s have too many buy to let’s in their portfolios and donations from house builders who want to keep demand high and supply low.

That you can’t see this obvious reality is concerning.


Yes yes, I know it is hard to accept, but you’ve been served up the very opposite of what you were promised. More migrants. With less ability to leave. Kind of like that poster of them queuing up. That is what Brexit has delivered. Some slight losses to the economy and three quarters of a million net migration. Rather than blame other people, have a good look at the deluded people who made fake promises that didn’t happen. No government could have delivered on fantasy.

Now you have a decent government who will fix things like the housing crisis given some time (years) and all you seek to do is undermine them! Stop following flimflam narratives perpetuated by people who seek to use you. Farrage has made millions off the back of the dissaffected. And all he has delivered is snide flimflam and disharmony. Get behind the Labour Party and don’t waste your time hating.

I'm sorry, did the fact offend you? But facts don't give a monkey's about your butt hurt feelings.

No, Brexit had nothing to do with it. I have already explained this and you are free to look up the Mogg interview where he categorically stated that they made a mistake and allowed 1.5 million in to kick start the economy, this was after the election loss. Lazy government as I stated.

Had nothing to do with Brexit, facts are facts whether you like them or not. Your argument is no better than those used by climate deniers, who think that becase there is an correlation that fits your agenda between two things, it must be correct, disrearging everything else. It's as insane as it is wrong.

The desperation you lot are going through to pin everything on Brexit is just embarrising. People are suffereing not because of Brexit. They are suffering from an insane and currput housing market where some people are £1000pm (£12,000 a year extra on rent alone) or more on rent over a council house. A corrupt energy market that has sucked out £80+ billion in profits for investors since the sector was privatised, the majority occuring in in the last couple of decades. With monthly cost doubling or even trippling for many reasons.

Then there is the impact of COVID who's effect on the economy was devistating, as we hadn't recovered from the 2008 crash caused by investor greed, sub prime and mortgage debt.

The war in Ukraine, that has help raise food costs and for mention gas and electricity prices, thatnks to a corrupt global price for energy.

And the fact that you said it was fanatsy that no government couldn't deliver, is fantasy itself. The government could have done it, if the likes of Keir "Traitor" Starmer hadn't of worked with the EU against the interests of the UK. If pro-remain majority government had respected the wished of the people and not spent 4 years crying like babies doing everything they can to stop us leaving. Even to the point of making it illegal to walk out on a bad dead. What kind of macaron ever does that to a negotiation?

Kier Starmer got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn, he won by default, not because he sold a future to the people of the UK, that is not a win, that is the dire states of politics in the UK.

The only people that have really been hood winked, are those who are constantly being told that brexit is the problem to everything... It isn't... You are being played for mugs.

 

[SkipRat]

Dress it any way you like.
You are what you are.

Yup, and that is being more clued up than you.

 

[thfcsteff]

Yup, and that is being more clued up than you.

Enjoy the superiority. Again, you are what you are whether you know it or not.

 

[SkipRat]

Enjoy the superiority. Again, you are what you are whether you know it or not.

Yes, as I said, more clued up than you.

Thanks for the reminder, but you shouldn't have.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I'm sorry, did the fact offend you? But facts don't give a monkey's about your butt hurt feelings.

No, Brexit had nothing to do with it. I have already explained this and you are free to look up the Mogg interview where he categorically stated that they made a mistake and allowed 1.5 million in to kick start the economy, this was after the election loss. Lazy government as I stated.

Had nothing to do with Brexit, facts are facts whether you like them or not. Your argument is no better than those used by climate deniers, who think that becase there is an correlation that fits your agenda between two things, it must be correct, disrearging everything else. It's as insane as it is wrong.

The desperation you lot are going through to pin everything on Brexit is just embarrising. People are suffereing not because of Brexit. They are suffering from an insane and currput housing market where some people are £1000pm (£12,000 a year extra on rent alone) or more on rent over a council house. A corrupt energy market that has sucked out £80+ billion in profits for investors since the sector was privatised, the majority occuring in in the last couple of decades. With monthly cost doubling or even trippling for many reasons.

Then there is the impact of COVID who's effect on the economy was devistating, as we hadn't recovered from the 2008 crash caused by investor greed, sub prime and mortgage debt.

The war in Ukraine, that has help raise food costs and for mention gas and electricity prices, thatnks to a corrupt global price for energy.

And the fact that you said it was fanatsy that no government couldn't deliver, is fantasy itself. The government could have done it, if the likes of Keir "Traitor" Starmer hadn't of worked with the EU against the interests of the UK. If pro-remain majority government had respected the wished of the people and not spent 4 years crying like babies doing everything they can to stop us leaving. Even to the point of making it illegal to walk out on a bad dead. What kind of macaron ever does that to a negotiation?

Kier Starmer got less votes than Jeremy Corbyn, he won by default, not because he sold a future to the people of the UK, that is not a win, that is the dire states of politics in the UK.

The only people that have really been hood winked, are those who are constantly being told that brexit is the problem to everything... It isn't... You are being played for mugs.

Tl;dr.

Let’s call a truce to enjoy the match today and get back at it tomorrow if we can be bothered. Probably not much point as you know you’re right, won’t consider any alternatives. Despite the reality.

I just find it funny that you were sold something that hasn’t come to pass. Rather than look at the snake oil salesman, you dig in deeper, start blaming more and more people for why the snake oil isn’t working. It’s almost a Waco conspiracy theory now with these evil actors. Stammer and the immigrants all conspiring to fuk up your life.

Take a step back. Don’t trust Farage and people selling quick solutions, and enjoy the game.

 

[Glenda's Legs]

Tl;dr.

Let’s call a truce to enjoy the match today and get back at it tomorrow if we can be bothered. Probably not much point as you know you’re right, won’t consider any alternatives. Despite the reality.

I just find it funny that you were sold something that hasn’t come to pass. Rather than look at the snake oil salesman, you dig in deeper, start blaming more and more people for why the snake oil isn’t working. It’s almost a Waco conspiracy theory now with these evil actors. Stammer and the immigrants all conspiring to fuk up your life.

Take a step back. Don’t trust Farage and people selling quick solutions, and enjoy the game.

In fairness you can’t really suggest a truce then follow it up with two paras of your viewpoint (not that I disagree with most of what you write) - that’s not a truce

 

[SkipRat]

Tl;dr.

Let’s call a truce to enjoy the match today and get back at it tomorrow if we can be bothered. Probably not much point as you know you’re right, won’t consider any alternatives. Despite the reality.

I just find it funny that you were sold something that hasn’t come to pass. Rather than look at the snake oil salesman, you dig in deeper, start blaming more and more people for why the snake oil isn’t working. It’s almost a Waco conspiracy theory now with these evil actors. Stammer and the immigrants all conspiring to fuk up your life.

Take a step back. Don’t trust Farage and people selling quick solutions, and enjoy the game.

Agreed, it's a debate, that is all it is.

Like all people, we will agree on some, disagree others. Doesn't mean we can't go down the pub and chanting for the team.

Oh I absolutely hate Farage, the climate denying w**k gibbon. And it is the government fecking up our lives, immigration is still a problem. Two separate things

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

I hate the Tories, I hate Labour....

But the culture war was started by the left and their insanity, resulting in the current backlash to all.

As for the riots, well, they really screwed up. They are not going to win the next election, they are more hated than the Tories. The only reason they won they election was not because people put their trust in them, it;s the fact they people didn't vote for the conservatives.

Labour have zero vision, they labelled most of the country far right during the riots, rather than actually listening to people and actually addressing their concerns. No, they labelled everyone far right, arrested them all regardless of how small their participation was, publicly humiliated them. Whilst at the same time allowing Muslims to walk around the streets armed with machetes and knives, nothing done regarding they rioting they got up to, not public humiliation.

They negated on ending the energy market scam, they are not addressing the concerns of the people and for all the pointing out the gifts the Tories got, immediately do the same thing.

Labour are a dead party, walking.

With a 200 seat majority...you forgot that bit.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

The 'culture war' was exacerbated and accelerated by right-wingers and racist groups who sought to infer that every Muslim is an extremist, and even went further in inferring that any 'brown' religion was (by proxy) extreme (how many times do you see ignorant tossers conflate Sikhs with Muslims just because they're largely brown and wear turbans)?

I agree re: the left reaction, which happened precisely as a reaction to the first moves from racists, seperatists and right-wingers (who - BTW, were all driven to the altar by subtle Russian interference and division tactics). It's a COLLECTIVE FAILURE which has seen middle ground opinions and discussions largely eliminated, resulting in these extreme opinions on either side.

As for the second bold-faced point I highlit above, when are people going to take responsibility for their own opinions versus lack of knowledge. Again, no-one likes an extremist. I dislike Muslim extremists JUST like I dislike Catholic and Christian extremists. Do we go around saying every Catholic is a pedophile? No, because that'd be absolutely absurd and grossly untrue. The VAST majority of Catholics get on with their lives believing what they believe and not harming others. Ditto extremist Christians, are they all anti-abortion female subjugating facists? Of course not. It's the same with Muslims, the VAST majority of whom live their lives believing what they believe and not having any wish whatsoever to harm others.

UNFORTUNATELY, the disenfranchised, scared and fearful get played by clams like Farage and Robinson. I actually agree with you - as a society we DO need to listen to those folks, their concerns are as worthy of being heard as mine, but they key is it HAS to be on a level playing field where those communities feel they will be respected but they must also be prepared to accept facts too. And the facts are that extremists are just that; extremists. And those extremists are a small percentage of what is (in all religions and cultures) a largely peaceful set of beliefs which people use for their own comfort and support to get through a day.

The BIGGEST fear the status quo have is the mass public recognising there has been a zealous revival of the class war which has pitted factions against factions WITHIN the masses, and in doing so has sub-divided a very powerful group; imagine if the sub-divided masses realized they had a major thing in common, getting fudged by the small percentage minority, and decided to do something collectively about it? Thus the divisions keep being sewn...

Establishment mantra "divide and rule"

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

If I had to choose between allowing a migrant into the country and SkipRat, I know who i think would be allowed in. SkipRat espouses anti British values. My grandfather spent 5 years fighting against them.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

My issue with unisex toilets are that im usually to tinkled to aim at anything smaller than a urinal, and dont think that really fair for the women that have to use that cubical later in the night. I just need that simple infalible steel wall option

The major problem in a company with unisex washrooms is with getting the staff to accept them, when I was at work we had that problem, women would not accept the trans man using the facility. Large office buildings were not designed for 3 facilities and the cost of installing them is seen as too high, even allocating limited washrooms on alternative floors was unpopular.