Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[SkipRat]

Classic levels of fanboying, even to the clear lie of "I don't like him but............"

Racist bigots will defend their heroes though, oldest story in history

Awww back with the racist and bigots slurs, because you have nothing to argue with.

I am sorry, but you are debating like a three year old, and as such, I will treat you like a three year old.

If your only response to debate is to act like this, then block me and don't debate with me, as I couldn't less. You add nothing of substance, you haven't supplied anything evidence to back up any of your claims regarding of Farage or whatever you have claimed.

I proved evidence to my claims, and you call it problematic. Well tough brick.

And you have repeatedly labelled me a racist and bigot for no other reason than your precious feelings getting butt hurt.

 

[Grays_1890]

Why because it highlights the fact that as % white British are the least like to be unemployed and as % minority groups are more like to unemployed that than others.

And because you don't like it, it's problematic.

Sorry, but facts be facts.

Nope because not all minority groups are immigrants therefore tears down your argument massively.

Bigots have to hate though ey

 

[Grays_1890]

Awww back with the racist and bigots slurs, because you have nothing to argue with.

I am sorry, but you are debating like a three year old, and as such, I will treat you like a three year old.

If your only response to debate is to act like this, then block me and don't debate with me, as I couldn't less. You add nothing of substance, you haven't supplied anything evidence to back up any of your claims regarding of Farage or whatever you have claimed.

I proved evidence to my claims, and you call it problematic. Well tough brick.

And you have repeatedly labelled me a racist and bigot for no other reason than your precious feelings getting butt hurt.

There are facts that missinformation was put out, Farage even admitted to it, people acted on that information that he and others supplied, thats also a fact. People of the ethnicity that alluded to were involved in the stabbings were attacked, thats another fact despite the murderer not actually being of that ethnicity.

There is not much to deny or claim is a lie when the history of what happened in Southport post murders is now written into history.

You have not provided any facts, you are conflating ethnic minorities (so basically including 2nd and 3rd generational brits) into an argument that you want to make about unemployment so you can have another pop at migrants.

But lets ignore that on the 2024 stats that male immigrants were in employment and more likely to be employed than UK born men because you have pulled a totally non related stat to try and paint the people you have a problem with in a bad light.

I call you a bigot and a racist not for any reason other than you come on a football forum and the majority of your posts are rarely football related and mostly anti immigrant rhetoric. Its fairly clear what you are from sheer volume and lack of balance.

 

[SkipRat]

Nope because not all minority groups are immigrants therefore tears down your argument massively.

Bigots have to hate though ey

Really?

You want to go down that route. Yeah, so there is only one possible out come yeah?

Did it ever occur to you that, say maybe that maybe 2nd 3rd generation Brits are more employable (due to better education, no language barrier as native speakers, etc etc), thus making the %'s even worse for migrant populations? Because they are being included with more employable 2nd and 3rd generations of the same ethnic group, thus making the migrant numbers look better than they actually are?

Of course this outcome never occurred to you, because it doesn't fit with ya biased brain.

And I have a sneaky feeling that you want to be doing that, keeping the figures as I put them

But as a ethnic group as a whole, my figures are correct as a %... Of course, that mean that 770,000 odd white British people were unemployed at the time, far larger than any other group, but as a %, the lowest with 3%

Seriously, you debate like a three year old.

 

[Grays_1890]

Really?

You want to go down that route. Yeah, so there is only one possible out come yeah?

Did it ever occur to you that, say maybe that maybe 2nd 3rd generation Brits are more employable, thus making the %'s even worse for migrant populations? Because they are being included with more employable 2nd and 3rd generations of the same ethnic group, thus making the migrant numbers look better than they actually are?

Of course it never occurred to you, because you doesn't fit with ya biased brain.

And I have a sneaky feeling that you want to be doing that, keeping the figures as I put them

But as a ethnic group as a whole, my figures are correct as a %... Of course, that mean that 770,000 odd white British people were unemployed at the time, far larger than any other group, but as a %, the lowest with 3%

Seriously, you debate like a three year old.

Stone me you are making stuff up now.

You have posted a stat about unemployment within ethnic minorities who on a large % would be BRITISH and not immigrants you idiot. There is a stark difference between being an ethnic minority and an immigrant, but just because they look different cnuts like you use bodged stats and harmful rhetoric to clump people together.

The fact you don't know there is a difference between ethnic minorities and immigrants is staggering

Lets stick the group exclusively to whom you seem to have the most issues with and go like for like ey, as of 2024:

 

[SkipRat]

Stone me you are making stuff up now.

You have posted a stat about unemployment within ethnic minorities who on a large % would be BRITISH and not immigrants you idiot. There is a stark difference between being an ethnic minority and an immigrant, but just because they look different cnuts like you use bodged stats and harmful rhetoric to clump people together.

The fact you don't know there is a difference between ethnic minorities and immigrants is staggering

Lets stick the group exclusively to whom you seem to have the most issues with and go like for like ey, as of 2024:

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I didn't clump them together, I didn't do the study. I just reported on the studies findings.

Wow! you provided a cut and paste image with no link, well done you

 

[Grays_1890]

I didn't clump them together, I didn't do the study. I just reported on the studies.

Wow! you provided a cut and paste image with no link, well done you.

You clumped them together by accepting "ethnic minority" stats as a full reflection on migrants to trot out a line that migrants are lazy.

You either don't know there is often a difference between ethic minority and an immigrant OR you don't care, eithers a worry

 

[SkipRat]

You clumped them together by accepting "ethnic minority" stats as a full reflection on migrants to trot out a line that migrants are lazy.

In fact the stats prove otherwise

I posted two charts one that had an ethnic break down and one that clumped them together as whole, as that had a figures over 2-3 decades.

Why are you ignoring the one that had the ethnic break down?

You can't accuse me lying as people can back and check for themselves for the charts I provided.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about, deal with it.

 

[Grays_1890]

I posted two charts one that had an ethnic break down and one that clumped them together as whole, as that had a figures over 2-3 decades.

Why are you ignoring the one that had the ethnic break down?

You can't accuse me lying as people can back and check for themselves for the charts I provided.

I have no idea what you are blathering on about, deal with it.

Stone me you are thick, the break down does not matter

You do know that those in that ethnic break down will be British aswell?

Just because they are listed as black and asian etc does not mean they are an immigrant FFS



Why are you so keen to demonise immigrants on here? Serious question? Its a football forum and you spent 95% of the time having a pop at them, its clearly an issue for you?

 

[SkipRat]

Stone me you are thick, the break down does not matter

You do know that those in that ethnic break down will be British aswell?

Just because they are listed as black and asian etc does not mean they are an immigrant FFS

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Why are you so keen to demonise immigrants on here? Serious question? Its a football forum and you spent 95% of the time having a pop at them, its clearly an issue for you?

Yes... I know that.

I addressed that in my previous post.

"Did it ever occur to you that, say maybe that maybe 2nd 3rd generation Brits are more employable (due to better education, no language barrier as native speakers, etc etc), thus making the %'s even worse for migrant populations? Because they are being included with more employable 2nd and 3rd generations of the same ethnic group, thus making the migrant numbers look better than they actually are?"

 

[Grays_1890]

Yes... I know that.

I addressed that in my previous post.

"Did it ever occur to you that, say maybe that maybe 2nd 3rd generation Brits are more employable (due to better education, no language barrier as native speakers, etc etc), thus making the %'s even worse for migrant populations? Because they are being included with more employable 2nd and 3rd generations of the same ethnic group, thus making the migrant numbers look better than they actually are?"

Addressed with words but no facts.

So again, you have provided stats about unemployed ethic minorities in the UK, many of whom would be British to try and bloat stats and say immigrants are lazy because they are unemployed, all this despite facts saying the absolute opposite.

And you wonder why I think you are a bigot?

 

[SkipRat]

Addressed with words but no facts.

So again, you have provided stats about unemployed ethic minorities in the UK, many of whom would be British to try and bloat stats and say immigrants are lazy because they are unemployed, all this despite the facts saying the absolute opposite.

And you wonder why I think you are a bigot?

Just like you're making assumptions on no facts either, for the data going other way. You tried to call me out, but you provided nothing to refute my claims, you just made an accusation regarding the data.

Do you know what will happen to the data if we split both groups as you pointed out? Of course you don't, but you assumed that it would go in your favor. Where as I was correct pointing out that the data could go the other way and not in your favor, but I didn't say it did.

Which is why I used that graph as it look at groups as whole.

Whether you like it or not that is what the data shows, I mean, go ahead and find a break down between 2nd 3rd generation if you want.

Like I say, it's my opinion (not fact) that if you did look into that data, 2nd and 3rd generation groups will probably be more likely to be employed due to no language barrier, better education etc etc

Then you used a a heavily cherry pick cut and past image that only looked at half the working population, ignoring the female working population, which showed that migrant women are less likely to work. Why did you do that?

 

[Grays_1890]

Just like you making assumptions on no facts either, for the data going other way. You tried to call out, but you provided nothing to refute my claims, you just made an accusation regarding the data. Do you know what will happen to the data if we split both groups? Of course you don't, but I was factually correct in stating that data could go the other way, I didn't say it did.

Which is why I used that graph as it look at groups as whole.

Whether you like it or not that is what the data shows, I mean, go ahead and find a break down between 2nd 3rd generation if you want.

Like I say, it's my opinion (not fact) that if you did look into that data, 2nd and 3rd generation groups will probably be more likely to be employed due to no language barrier, better education etc etc

No the facts are that those stats do not back up any of your claims because they will include British ethnic minorities and will not be exclusively immigrants, which is the point you were trying to sell.

Another day where you tried to peddle an anti immigration rhetoric on here, this time using bodged stats and assumed data. That's why I think you are a bigot

 

[SkipRat]

No the facts are that those stats do not back up any of your claims because they will include British ethnic minorities and will not be exclusively immigrants, which is the point you were trying to sell.

Another day where you tried to peddle an anti immigration rhetoric on here, this time using bodged stats and assumed data. That's why I think you are a bigot

You still don't get it do you?

You haven't proved anything...

And yes, those stats do back up my claim.

And if you think they are wrong, go find evidence with a link to the data that shows the employment rates between migrants and 2nd/3rd generation. I am all for learning new things.

Please, go ahead.

 

[Grays_1890]

You still don't get it do you?

You haven't proved anything...

And yes, those stats do back up my claim.

No I get it, you are trying to prove Immigrants are lazy by using stats that include Brits in them.......so they only prove you are thick

 

[SkipRat]

No I get it, you are trying to prove Immigrants are lazy by using stats that include Brits in them.......so they only prove you are thick

Then please, go prove your theory with some links to the data.

Like I said in my edited post, back up your claims as I am all for learning new things.

 

[SkipRat]

I don't have to prove anything as I am not here selling a lie

Yes you do have to back up your claims.

Or are you a coward that maybe be proved wrong?

As whether you like it or not, that 9% of Pakistani and Bangladesh (for example), is an average between 1st generation migrant and 2nd/3rd generation of that specific ethnic groups.

It's laughable to think you go around calling people out, then not back up your claims. With zero data.

Please, go ahead and find those figures and prove me wrong.

 

[Grays_1890]

As whether you like it or not, that 9% of Pakistani and Bangladesh (for example), is an average between 1st generation migrant and 2nd/3rd generation of that specific ethnic groups.

So includes, so British Ethnics, so its a stat that can't be attributed to immigrants exclusively.

Again proving my point....thanks

 

[SkipRat]

So includes, so British Ethnics, so its a stat that can't be attributed to immigrants exclusively.

Again proving my point....thanks

No it doesn't it, it proves nothing as you haven't provide a % that makes up 2nd/3rd generation and what % makes up the migrants.

You have no idea what that number is.

It could easily be that a larger % of that figure is actually migrants. Further proving my point.

You have absolutely no idea what it is. AS you have done zero research and provided zero data.

Whilst at the same time, ignoring half the work force (females) when pushing your pathetic print screen, cut and past offering.

 

[Grays_1890]

No it doesn't it, it proves nothing as you haven't provide a % that makes up 2nd/3rd generation and what % makes up the migrants.

You have no idea what that number is.

It could easily be that a larger % of that figure is actually migrants. Further proving my point.

You have absolutely no idea what it is. AS you have done zero research and provided zero data.

Whilst at the same time, ignoring half the work force (females) when pushing your pathetic print screen, cut and past offering.

I am not the one making out immigrants are the bad guys here and lazy, you are and you have zero facts or stats to back that up, thats why you used stats that again.........include British, it does not matter at what % that is, the stats are useless in your argument.

You had to spin some yarn about the British black community despite most metrics used by the likes of the Institute of race relations points to massive unemployment due deprived upbringings, lack of equal opportunities and born into environments of crime and drugs. So absolutely the black metric in your graph would be hugely swollen by British Ethnic minorities who are unemployed. Which makes it a useless stat.

I didn't cut anything off because there is reasoning and further reading on why women are unemployed, namely because in Asian and sub continent cultures the women they are home makers, so the men, of which as that report showed are more likely to be in work than Brits (hurts that bit don't it) the women would be homemakers. That does not mean unemployed and lazy so I have no issue with that stat whatsoever