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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

markysimmo said:
For clear cut no doubt the person arrested is the right one like the crime committed in Southport
The death penalty should be brought back
It will cost millions to keep that rat clam safe in jail for the next however many years
He doesn't deserve that protection, he should be put to death for those horrific crimes and put to death as slowly and painfully as possible
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What's the end game of the death penalty? Deterrent? In this case it would literally not move a needle. He was insane. If someone is that insane, they won't register death penalty deterrents. If you want reprisal/retribution/vengeance, then that's a personal matter. I'll settle for justice, in this case life without parole (and treatment for the mental health issues if retrievable).

Finally, your financial comment re: death penalty is not true. Again, no argument against personal choice -if that's how you feel then obviously not my business- but important to know the facts.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs
 
thfcsteff said:
What's the end game of the death penalty? Deterrent? In this case it would literally not move a needle. He was insane. If someone is that insane, they won't register death penalty deterrents. If you want reprisal/retribution/vengeance, then that's a personal matter. I'll settle for justice, in this case life without parole (and treatment for the mental health issues if retrievable).

Finally, your financial comment re: death penalty is not true. Again, no argument against personal choice -if that's how you feel then obviously not my business- but important to know the facts.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs
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I agree with some of your position but there appears to be not deterrent with prison, figures for 2022 showed 46% of offenders reoffend within a year of release. Murders committ the most evil crime and who can say they can be trusted in society, who would want to work or trust their loved ones with them, its savage I know but so is locking someone away for the rest of their life.

Intentionally taking someones life in peace time puts you out side any civilised society.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I agree with some of your position but there appears to be not deterrent with prison, figures for 2022 showed 46% of offenders reoffend within a year of release. Murders committ the most evil crime and who can say they can be trusted in society, who would want to work or trust their loved ones with them, its savage I know but so is locking someone away for the rest of their life.

Intentionally taking someones life in peace time puts you out side any civilised society.
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It is a very difficult question.
I find myself personally feeling that death is too good for child murderers/pedophiles. I agree that locking people away for life is, in many cases, even worse as it is forcing them to 'live' with their actions.
I become unsteady when it gets to defining 'intentionally taking someone's life' as those parameters certainly seem flexible depending on a whole raft of contexts and situations, and depending on who is in control of the power, those definitions can change. We've seen how Trump has essentially given license to violent seditioners, yet I guarantee that if he is the recipent of such, different rules will apply. I do agree that the lack of deterrent is a huge concern.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Gawd knows.....but I'm sure the lovely racists of the world will now know to ask that very question before laying into someone, just so they're on the right side of things.
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That's the point isn't it?

Usually a person's religion will be unknown - racists will be acting on skin colour, accent, etc.
 
scaramanga said:
That's the point isn't it?

Usually a person's religion will be unknown - racists will be acting on skin colour, accent, etc.
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Or based on what they wear or eat, which is fine when you are genuinely having a debate about religion, but when people as they frequently do, use those points to cast mockery, that crosses into Racism because that can be cultural and or religious.

People clearly IMO use the technicality to their advantage on both side, but people know what they are trying to say and do when they call someone a "bacon dodger" or a "rag head" despite both being linked to a religious basis.
 
Most people have no choice in their religion as its chosen by their parents (read Larkin) and its drummed into you until you leave school, it's hard to completely throw it away and getaway from catholic guilt complex.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
Most people have no choice in their religion as its chosen by their parents (read Larkin) and its drummed into you until you leave school, it's hard to completely throw it away and getaway from catholic guilt complex.
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Also people are a product of here they are born, people are culturally different as much as they are religious and people generally don't have an issue with having a pop at either in my experience.
 
thfcsteff said:
What's the end game of the death penalty? Deterrent? In this case it would literally not move a needle. He was insane. If someone is that insane, they won't register death penalty deterrents. If you want reprisal/retribution/vengeance, then that's a personal matter. I'll settle for justice, in this case life without parole (and treatment for the mental health issues if retrievable).

Finally, your financial comment re: death penalty is not true. Again, no argument against personal choice -if that's how you feel then obviously not my business- but important to know the facts.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs
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Ah the old he is mad, has mental health issues, excuses for what he did
No he is evil, did you read what he did, what he had in his room, he should not be on this earth anymore, he doesn't deserve a life

What I don't get is he got a lot of his knives from amazon
Now he is under 18
I ordered a craft knife from Amazon last week, when it arrived I had to give my DOB and my ID
How did he get his parcels without somebody over the age in his house taking the parcel from the driver
 
markysimmo said:
Ah the old he is mad, has mental health issues, excuses for what he did
No he is evil, did you read what he did, what he had in his room, he should not be on this earth anymore, he doesn't deserve a life

What I don't get is he got a lot of his knives from amazon
Now he is under 18
I ordered a craft knife from Amazon last week, when it arrived I had to give my DOB and my ID
How did he get his parcels without somebody over the age in his house taking the parcel from the driver
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Rarely gets checked ever, like booze online from Deliveroo, no one cares.
 
Maybe we need to change how we do 'prison' so that re-offending rates drop. Maybe more rehabilitation, education and counselling and less 23 hr lockdowns.

Taking someone out of society for a couple of decades and then expecting them to fit back in and behave is just bizarre.
 
markysimmo said:
Ah the old he is mad, has mental health issues, excuses for what he did
No he is evil, did you read what he did, what he had in his room, he should not be on this earth anymore, he doesn't deserve a life

What I don't get is he got a lot of his knives from amazon
Now he is under 18
I ordered a craft knife from Amazon last week, when it arrived I had to give my DOB and my ID
How did he get his parcels without somebody over the age in his house taking the parcel from the driver
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What is evil if it isn't a mental disorder?
 
Lost Mango said:
Maybe we need to change how we do 'prison' so that re-offending rates drop. Maybe more rehabilitation, education and counselling and less 23 hr lockdowns.

Taking someone out of society for a couple of decades and then expecting them to fit back in and behave is just bizarre.
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Society needs an overhaul, social care and social reform, I will bore myself till I am blue in the face BUT if you can't change the narrative for some people and communities in society then prison just becomes a band-aid solution.
 
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