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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

Grays_1890 said:
This Letby case is haunting for so many reasons.....

www.bbc.co.uk

Lucy Letby did not murder babies, claim medical experts

Former nurse Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others.
www.bbc.co.uk
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It seems there is reason to doubt her guilt. I mean she clearly is not a well person, that does not need proving though. Did she murder or was it pure neglect from within a broken health system? Or was it a bit of both and she has been spacegoated to take all the guilt?
 
LutonSpurs said:
It seems there is reason to doubt her guilt. I mean she clearly is not a well person, that does not need proving though. Did she murder or was it pure neglect from within a broken health system? Or was it a bit of both and she has been spacegoated to take all the guilt?
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From what I take and honestly limited knowledge (what changes) is that ultimately they are saying beyond shift patterns there is no physical evidence she did it.

Personally I think she likely did it and is mentally ill, but it clearly shows a massive gap in the system where she is maybe going to get off for multiple failings in the system and there being a level of doubt
 
LutonSpurs said:
If your children are not safe going to school, (Sheffield yesterday, Sweden today, USA more regularly) then wtf are we supposed to do!
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I throw my hands in the air every day with that question mate.............I am almost lost at how we reverse the damage being done out there.

We have the online equivalent of the wild west, where peoples heroes are questonable at best. My heroes were Hoddle, Mo Mowlam and Andrew McKinley growing up, now people pray at the altar of Tate, Robinson and Musk
 
markysimmo said:
Horrendous, honestly what is wrong with the human race at the moment
The world needs a complete and total reset
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The lack of freedom of thought and rational thinking in the world is scary now. People are becoming part of groups because of belonging and built on loads of half truths. The level of people wanting to go out and genuinely hurt others because of a difference in views is fcking scary.

What a world
 
Anyone that follows world affairs know that Sweden has had awful problems for the last few years. But we can't talk about that can we???????

Seems it is a continuation of that or someone reacting to the problems of the last few years, the problems that liberals won't let people talk about or problems they continually make excuses for.

I worry every day about the problems we face and despair(as long as those problems don't contradicte or are caused by deeply long held beliefs)
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Anyone that follows world affairs know that Sweden has had awful problems for the last few years. But we can't talk about that can we???????

Seems it is a continuation of that or someone reacting to the problems of the last few years, the problems that liberals won't let people talk about or problems they continually make excuses for.

I worry every day about the problems we face and despair(as long as those problems don't contradicte or are caused by deeply long held beliefs)
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I genuinely think the time has come for the world to align on problems not right or left

A nonce is a nonce and should be called it for what ever their colour or religion,

The fact people scramble for excuses or reaction allows it to breed in all walks of life which has been proven on here

Can we not align in the middle and just call sh1t for where it happens and not pretend it only happens in certain areas???? I think that would be more helpful than the whole " look over there" rhetoric that seems to exist in society
 
Grays_1890 said:
I genuinely think the time has come for the world to align on problems not right or left

A nonce is a nonce and should be called it for what ever their colour or religion,

The fact people scramble for excuses or reaction allows it to breed in all walks of life which has been proven on here

Can we not align in the middle and just call sh1t for where it happens and not pretend it only happens in certain areas???? I think that would be more helpful than the whole " look over there" rhetoric that seems to exist in society
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It'll be a hard position to unwind my friend.

SM has really exposed human traits and dynamics.
Humans are struggling to deal with it.
It has its hooks, consciously and subconsciously sunk deep.
It's escalated from a bit of fun....to a tool for all the bad actors of the world.
There's just no love in it...and has ended up with the most ironic title 'social media',
'unsocial media' would be more accurate.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
:)....DFL holding back....I never thought I'd see the day!
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You just want to be part of the glory-glory WhatsApp group. Thong is I don't think the poster running the admin of it would admit you.

The is a reason that right wing parties have done so well around Europe recently.

We are not allowed to discuss the state of Sweden over the last 5 years and how it has changed. It is not allowed to be discussed.

So what happened out there, what is happening across Europe the conversation is shut down constantly by ultra liberal types who either want to oddly exonerate the person based on their ethnicity or completely destroy them, based on their ethnicity.

The ones round Europe with less emotional maturity are starting to take things into their own hands. Wrongly I might add as change should come through political means never violence. Though I expect the extreme liberals to gloss over that last sentence being said by me.

I voted Labour last time, sat out the one before that as Corbyn changed his mind on EU membership or I would have voted for him then. I consider myself centre with some left wing views and a few right wing ones(crime mainly) but I honestly think some on here are in a bit of an echo chamber.

Another thing I have heard said on here a few times is that Trump and Farage have manipulated people into voting for them and that those 2 are using people.

I can tell you from people I know that support them and in my case I have supported Farage that it is the other way around. I had my views on the EU long before Farage became involved with them. People I know that like Farage and Trump (I never liked Trump from day 1 by the way) held their views long before they came along.

So this often stated view on here that Trump and Farage got stupid gullable people to vote for them is not true in my experience of people that lean that way.

Now if you said to me that Trump and Farage made roads into politics for financial gain and did not really believe in anything and like Johnson actually just did what the public wanted to get elected, I would agree with it. But the shock twist at the end of the movie is they don't get people to think a certain way, those people always felt that way. They just agreed to get elected.

Bringing me back to Sweden, go into any normal boozer and when Geoff the retired teacher and Guardian reader is in the toilet, Dave, Steve and good looking but miserable spurs fan Ben all say the same thing about what's happening in Sweden and elsewhere. But we all know we can't talk about it.......
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
You just want to be part of the glory-glory WhatsApp group. Thong is I don't think the poster running the admin of it would admit you.

The is a reason that right wing parties have done so well around Europe recently.

We are not allowed to discuss the state of Sweden over the last 5 years and how it has changed. It is not allowed to be discussed.

So what happened out there, what is happening across Europe the conversation is shut down constantly by ultra liberal types who either want to oddly exonerate the person based on their ethnicity or completely destroy them, based on their ethnicity.

The ones round Europe with less emotional maturity are starting to take things into their own hands. Wrongly I might add as change should come through political means never violence. Though I expect the extreme liberals to gloss over that last sentence being said by me.

I voted Labour last time, sat out the one before that as Corbyn changed his mind on EU membership or I would have voted for him then. I consider myself centre with some left wing views and a few right wing ones(crime mainly) but I honestly think some on here are in a bit of an echo chamber.

Another thing I have heard said on here a few times is that Trump and Farage have manipulated people into voting for them and that those 2 are using people.

I can tell you from people I know that support them and in my case I have supported Farage that it is the other way around. I had my views on the EU long before Farage became involved with them. People I know that like Farage and Trump (I never liked Trump from day 1 by the way) held their views long before they came along.

So this often stated view on here that Trump and Farage got stupid gullable people to vote for them is not true in my experience of people that lean that way.

Now if you said to me that Trump and Farage made roads into politics for financial gain and did not really believe in anything and like Johnson actually just did what the public wanted to get elected, I would agree with it. But the shock twist at the end of the movie is they don't get people to think a certain way, those people always felt that way. They just agreed to get elected.

Bringing me back to Sweden, go into any normal boozer and when Geoff the retired teacher and Guardian reader is in the toilet, Dave, Steve and good looking but miserable spurs fan Ben all say the same thing about what's happening in Sweden and elsewhere. But we all know we can't talk about it.......
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Now that wasn't so hard....was it 😍


Although I still don't know what is going on in Sweden?
 
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LutonSpurs said:
No one has been disallowed from discussing Sweden lol.
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We all know what issues Sweden has been struggling with recently. Well if you followed world affairs you do. Their issues with crime have shot up last 5 years. I can't be bothered to discuss why.

Would rather stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is OK lol. Hope I don't wake up one morning in the future and have a nasty shock after a government election.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
We all know what issues Sweden has been struggling with recently. Well if you followed world affairs you do. Their issues with crime have shot up last 5 years. I can't be bothered to discuss why.

Would rather stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is OK lol. Hope I don't wake up one morning in the future and have a nasty shock after a government election.
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I just said you hadn't been banned from talking about Sweden
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
We are not allowed to discuss the state of Sweden over the last 5 years and how it has changed. It is not allowed to be discussed.
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This line is just a right wing trope, whispered on social media to rile people up. It’s not true. Say your piece. You believe there is a particular cause of the upsurge in violence in Sweden, some of your view has merit but I may disagree with other elements of it. It’s fine and healthy debate should be had. Hopefully we can all respect each other’s opinions though.
 
Robspur12 said:
This line is just a right wing trope, whispered on social media to rile people up. It’s not true. Say your piece. You believe there is a particular cause of the upsurge in violence in Sweden, some of your view has merit but I may disagree with other elements of it. It’s fine and healthy debate should be had. Hopefully we can all respect each other’s opinions though.
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Nope I will do me thanks hun.

The last 20 years of "political debate" have proven enough to people that they know their views no matter how strongly based in reality and backed up by data will just get shouted down.

You fellas continue with your echo chamber. Ironically I vote the same way as a lot of you.
 
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