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fernadez said:
On the flip side in a system that offered them a respite and less last ditch defending how would they look.

There's as much significant questions about the attacking players. So are we saying the whole team needs to be ditched?
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That’s the excuse that gets repeated but look at the goals we have been conceding and tell me where the what ditch effort is needed?
Stopping a cross when 8 men in your team are behind you is key
Winning a header is key
The players are in the right places but do the wrong things. That’s not the system
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That’s the excuse that gets repeated but look at the goals we have been conceding and tell me where the what ditch effort is needed?
Stopping a cross when 8 men in your team are behind you is key
Winning a header is key
The players are in the right places but do the wrong things. That’s not the system
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That's in isolation though isn't it. If you play in a system that requires prolonged physical exertion then mistakes due to fatigue are more likely to happen.

If the players are in the right place but doing the wrong thing repeatedly then I would argue that it must be partly the system as tactics are more than just standing in the right place, it's doing the right things. If payers aren't doing that then play others.

If the players in totality aren't good enough then you should have a system that tries to minimise their deficiencies.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That’s the excuse that gets repeated but look at the goals we have been conceding and tell me where the what ditch effort is needed?
Stopping a cross when 8 men in your team are behind you is key
Winning a header is key
The players are in the right places but do the wrong things. That’s not the system
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But the players are constantly in the wrong place, which is why we keep giving up chances to an unmarked player at the far post.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That’s the excuse that gets repeated but look at the goals we have been conceding and tell me where the what ditch effort is needed?
Stopping a cross when 8 men in your team are behind you is key
Winning a header is key
The players are in the right places but do the wrong things. That’s not the system
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It’s both. We concede too many goals for all of them to be individual errors/mistakes. Forget the stats, how often do you watch us and think yeah we look solid today?
 
fernadez said:
That's in isolation though isn't it. If you play in a system that requires prolonged physical exertion then mistakes due to fatigue are more likely to happen.

If the players are in the right place but doing the wrong thing repeatedly then I would argue that it must be partly the system as tactics are more than just standing in the right place, it's doing the right things. If payers aren't doing that then play others.

If the players in totality aren't good enough then you should have a system that tries to minimise their deficiencies.
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It should be one of the easiest things to fix, to make a team more solid. I always go back to when Redknapp took over and he said Spurs are too soft and he almost immediately made us harder to beat and we finished the season with the best home defensive record in the league despite finishing 8th.
 
Jurgen the German said:
It’s both. We concede too many goals for all of them to be individual errors/mistakes. Forget the stats, how often do you watch us and think yeah we look solid today?
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Case in point would be that cross to our right side and take your pick of Johnson, Porro and or Romero doing the wrong thing.

We constantly defend those crosses with an attacker over spare, yet I'm told Johnson isn't at fault as he's told to stay high. So who's meant to be helping Porro on that side, or is it in fact Johnson not putting in the yards/bottling it? Is Porro meant to play as a #10 but still deal with that? Etc etc
 
Baleforce said:
But the players are constantly in the wrong place, which is why we keep giving up chances to an unmarked player at the far post.
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Yeah
But not because of the system
Because of their own movements and mistakes
The system isn’t what Romero handed off vardy at Lestah
Or why Porro and Johnson didn’t go for the ball cos Ipswich
Or why Destiny rarely stops a cross
 
fernadez said:
That's in isolation though isn't it. If you play in a system that requires prolonged physical exertion then mistakes due to fatigue are more likely to happen.

If the players are in the right place but doing the wrong thing repeatedly then I would argue that it must be partly the system as tactics are more than just standing in the right place, it's doing the right things. If payers aren't doing that then play others.

If the players in totality aren't good enough then you should have a system that tries to minimise their deficiencies.
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If the players are in the right place, that positional and normally people say that’s coaching …. I’m not sure
It’s worth remembering how simple the goals are we concede. You don’t even need to put an amazing ball in when you know we don’t jump
 
Jurgen the German said:
It’s both. We concede too many goals for all of them to be individual errors/mistakes. Forget the stats, how often do you watch us and think yeah we look solid today?
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Some times but not often, mainly because I am used to seeing us be dominant and concede. Again, that’s not because of a high line or passing out that worries me.
It’s the history of players missing a cross, not blocking one, shanking a clearance or just marking space
Recurring themes and nothing to do with tactics
It could be we coach players to mark space of course
 
fernadez said:
On the flip side in a system that offered them a respite and less last ditch defending how would they look.

There's as much significant questions about the attacking players. So are we saying the whole team needs to be ditched?
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-Vic would still be shot at corners
-Romero would still go galavanting and make rash challenges - he did pre Ange
-Bent would still throw bottles into a crowd, make misjudged comments about race and be injury prone
-Udogie still wouldn't be able to do defensive basics

None of those are directly system based. They are mentality based.
I have the same concerns about the lack of protection within the formation, and the I'm not surprised that teams have easily worked out how to nulify the attack.

But if (and it's a big if) these four are throwing toys out of prams, they need to open the door of the glass house in which they throw it.
 
fernadez said:
On the flip side in a system that offered them a respite and less last ditch defending how would they look.

There's as much significant questions about the attacking players. So are we saying the whole team needs to be ditched?
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Just to add to that - my post wasn't about ability; it was about a balance of ability and attitude.
No-one in our team is playing consistently well enough to throw their toys out of the pram.
That said, the league is so tight year, I'll reserve judgement until Feb - I genuinely don't think the league will fully take shape until then. Which is pretty interesting! Albeit frustrating.
We could be 3rd or 10th at that point!! And neither would be a surprise.
 
Mrs Vert said:
Chris cowlin says Ange has fallen out with at least 4 seniors. Some say the Italian contingent along with Bent and Romero.......that came from the football insider
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Thought Cowlin was an insider? Is he validating what the social media site said or just repeating it?
 
Jordinho said:
Apparently Jack Pitt Brooke talked about the lack of consistency from our best players on a recent pod (I can't be arsed to listen to anything about that game) and how they are very aware of it within the club.
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He did, yeah, on View From The Lane.

This is worth a listen. I know LWOS can be variable in quality but this is a good one. It features John Greechan, who is a bit of an Ange expert. He’s pretty clear that if Ange isn’t enjoying it in a job then he won’t stick around. As we know, his tenures have always been relatively short.

 
Gutter Boy said:
Its endgame when leaks like this from the dressing start coming out. Lets hope McKenna is being kept warm
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That Ipswich game gave me bad vibes, both when it came to the performance and then when I saw Ange’s interview afterwards. He looked pretty broken to me - and didn’t sound like he was convinced he had the answers.
 
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