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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

thfcsteff said:
So why aren't you spending time slagging off Munn, Lange and Levy? They hired him. If he is that terrible then they need to held accountable...
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Well do you know what, that's a fair call-out. And its not Ange's fault he's ended up as Spurs Head Coach. Allow me to continue my analogy (until it's been well and truly burned in the oven). For me, what does the appointment of Ange represent? It represented Levy running home after trying to play with the big boys with his tail firmly between his legs.

In 2014, Levy managed to buy himself a new Golf GTI. It was a great car: fast, practical, fun to drive. He got on well with it and had a lot of fun. But he still got smoked at the lights by people with a proper sports car. It just came up a bit short. So he started looking at his GTI a bit differently. His mates down the golf club started jovially saying to him that he should get himself a real man's car, like a Porsche.

In 2019, his GTI has done a lot of miles and needs a bit of TLC. A good service, timing change. With a bit of investment, it could be a great car again. With a bit more investment in tuning modifications, if might be able to nudge closer to winning more of those traffic-light grand-prixes.

But by this point, Levy is distracted. He's seen an advert for a second-hand 911. It's a good few years old, older than his GTI, but, it's got a great history. He speaks to the previous owner. "Kind of fell out with it mate, not gonna lie, just constant servicing costs and error codes, I had a great year with it but I've had enough pal - just being honest with you." But it sits there, in Levy's dreams, whispering away to him. He contacts the owner: "I'll take it!" He gets rid of his GTI.

First few launches from the lights are promising -wow, now we are talking thinks Levy. But then he puts his foot down and *beep* *beep* *beep* black smoke. At the garage: "HOW MUCH????" Says Levy. "It'll cost ya keeping one of these going strong" replies the mechanic. Levy contemplates his expensive mistake and after driving around for a bit in a coutesy car wondering what to do, trades it in for a nice sensible Mercedes E class. 2 lady owners, good service history, reasonable running costs, but.....you know....let's be honest, it's a bit dull to drive after his GTI.......

......then he sees an advert for a relatively new Lamborghini Mucielago.....it sounds brutal, it'll try to kill you in a sharp corner but holy s*** it's fast. He'd enquired about it previously but it was too much. He'd heard things about the maintenance costs. It wants new tyres all the time ...and they're expensive! But......f*** it, I'm over this E class he tells himself and hands over his hard earned once again.

For a year it's fantastic. Everything He'd hoped for.....but he didn't use premium fuel and oil as was recommended (gotta save the pennies somehow, come on!) and after a while his car started getting angry at him. Rough idle. Error codes. The garage: says it needs a full engine flush and new injectors. "HOW MUCH??????" Says Levy.

By now he's broken. Psychologically and financially. He scraps around dealers trying to find a second hand GTI, but he can't afford one now. He comes home with a 15 year old Prius. "This is going to be my new philosophy" he tells his wife and kids. "Back to my DNA".....
 
thfcsteff said:
If those now taking the latest attack lines on Postecoglu are being honest, then the people most at fault would be the people who hired him!

Where's your vitriol for them?
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Personally would like a whole fresh slate. New owners. New manager. New backroom staff. New dof. New ideas. New goals.
 
Lilbaz said:
Personally would like a whole fresh slate. New owners. New manager. New backroom staff. New dof. New ideas. New goals.
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Not for me. I'm 60:40 against Ange at the moment mostly because saying 51:49 would be churlish. What I'm really saying is there is not 12 vehement jurors giving a clear verdict of guilty.

Another way to think about it is Ange is like a schoolchild who is getting grade A's and B's in half his subjects and D's and E's in the other half. He doesn't seem to do C's.

As for the club, we simply must continue this direction of travel. So little money spent from 2015-2020. So much money spent in this decade. Probably 4 or 5 times as much already. So much of that was catching back up again. We have a new leadership structure and a new financial landscape and that will take another 5 years to really be judged by me. There is no healthy dialogue in thinking about new owners, or new structures, new CFO's, technical directors etc.

Probably the best question I can be asked is whether I want Ange to succeed. That is a clear YES. Perhaps that is why I can be tough on him. All I ever wanted with Jose and Conte was them to get the fudge out of our club. I strangely still believe he can adapt. It's a bit like Matt O'Riley moving from being Celtic's star man to a bench player for Brighton. At some point he would have assimilated and will mesmerise the English fans like he did the Scottish fans. He'll plateau naturally though and probably won't be the next Rodri.
 
braineclipse said:
For me he gets a pass now because I think most managers really struggle with this number of injuries over so long. We've seen it before. Howe last season with Saudi Sportswashing Machine. Pep this season with City. Particularly when also competing in Europe/4 competitions. Managers who are younger, PL proven and all that.

We've fallen further than we "should" expect from an injury crisis like this, but imo not by all that much.

I said at the start of December that this was going to get worse (last longer) before it gets better. I'm not surprised. I also won't be surprised if our form picks up significantly when we get players back from injuries. With or without Ange, though personally I hope it's with Ange.
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What you should remember is that we were pretty poor and losing games we shouldn't have lost before the injuries. This manager has made us extremely predictable, and half the injuries are down to the way we play and train. I predict he will go after the Liverpool game
 
Muttley said:
Not for me. I'm 60:40 against Ange at the moment mostly because saying 51:49 would be churlish. What I'm really saying is there is not 12 vehement jurors giving a clear verdict of guilty.

Another way to think about it is Ange is like a schoolchild who is getting grade A's and B's in half his subjects and D's and E's in the other half. He doesn't seem to do C's.

As for the club, we simply must continue this direction of travel. So little money spent from 2015-2020. So much money spent in this decade. Probably 4 or 5 times as much already. So much of that was catching back up again. We have a new leadership structure and a new financial landscape and that will take another 5 years to really be judged by me. There is no healthy dialogue in thinking about new owners, or new structures, new CFO's, technical directors etc.

Probably the best question I can be asked is whether I want Ange to succeed. That is a clear YES. Perhaps that is why I can be tough on him. All I ever wanted with Jose and Conte was them to get the fudge out of our club. I strangely still believe he can adapt. It's a bit like Matt O'Riley moving from being Celtic's star man to a bench player for Brighton. At some point he would have assimilated and will mesmerise the English fans like he did the Scottish fans. He'll plateau naturally though and probably won't be the next Rodri.
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He will be gone after the Liverpool game, HOPEFULLY
 
Kompakted said:
Well do you know what, that's a fair call-out. And its not Ange's fault he's ended up as Spurs Head Coach. Allow me to continue my analogy (until it's been well and truly burned in the oven). For me, what does the appointment of Ange represent? It represented Levy running home after trying to play with the big boys with his tail firmly between his legs.

In 2014, Levy managed to buy himself a new Golf GTI. It was a great car: fast, practical, fun to drive. He got on well with it and had a lot of fun. But he still got smoked at the lights by people with a proper sports car. It just came up a bit short. So he started looking at his GTI a bit differently. His mates down the golf club started jovially saying to him that he should get himself a real man's car, like a Porsche.

In 2019, his GTI has done a lot of miles and needs a bit of TLC. A good service, timing change. With a bit of investment, it could be a great car again. With a bit more investment in tuning modifications, if might be able to nudge closer to winning more of those traffic-light grand-prixes.

But by this point, Levy is distracted. He's seen an advert for a second-hand 911. It's a good few years old, older than his GTI, but, it's got a great history. He speaks to the previous owner. "Kind of fell out with it mate, not gonna lie, just constant servicing costs and error codes, I had a great year with it but I've had enough pal - just being honest with you." But it sits there, in Levy's dreams, whispering away to him. He contacts the owner: "I'll take it!" He gets rid of his GTI.

First few launches from the lights are promising -wow, now we are talking thinks Levy. But then he puts his foot down and *beep* *beep* *beep* black smoke. At the garage: "HOW MUCH????" Says Levy. "It'll cost ya keeping one of these going strong" replies the mechanic. Levy contemplates his expensive mistake and after driving around for a bit in a coutesy car wondering what to do, trades it in for a nice sensible Mercedes E class. 2 lady owners, good service history, reasonable running costs, but.....you know....let's be honest, it's a bit dull to drive after his GTI.......

......then he sees an advert for a relatively new Lamborghini Mucielago.....it sounds brutal, it'll try to kill you in a sharp corner but holy s*** it's fast. He'd enquired about it previously but it was too much. He'd heard things about the maintenance costs. It wants new tyres all the time ...and they're expensive! But......f*** it, I'm over this E class he tells himself and hands over his hard earned once again.

For a year it's fantastic. Everything He'd hoped for.....but he didn't use premium fuel and oil as was recommended (gotta save the pennies somehow, come on!) and after a while his car started getting angry at him. Rough idle. Error codes. The garage: says it needs a full engine flush and new injectors. "HOW MUCH??????" Says Levy.

By now he's broken. Psychologically and financially. He scraps around dealers trying to find a second hand GTI, but he can't afford one now. He comes home with a 15 year old Prius. "This is going to be my new philosophy" he tells his wife and kids. "Back to my DNA".....
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Mate, while I don't entirely agree with you regarding Levy, that's a top post. Thanks for the laugh.

Meanwhile, the E-Class is just rolling along quietly, overtaking all the broken-down sports cars. Look, is that a Sheikh in a gold-plated Koeniggggseggg waiting for the RAC?
 
IulianSteaua said:
That would mean we would lose. I hope he will still be here and we would be through to the final.
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Do you HONESTLY believe we will get through the semi final. We will be 1-0 down within 10 minutes, and 3-0 down by half time. The second half they will close things down. This isn't being negative, it's just realty
 
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