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Ange in or out?

Ange in or out?

  • In

    Votes: 90 58.1%

  • Out

    Votes: 65 41.9%
  • Total voters
    155
glorygloryeze said:
Now it might become a bit clearer to more people that we as a football outfit aren't really that good or attractive to prospective managers who we would like to employ.

Funny how it's effectively the worst PL coach we've had under ENIC that is the one "given the longest time and backing" haha.

No, it's just because removing him will expose to an even wider fanbase and media the shambles that is our football operations as headed by Levy (or now Munn, if you like).

Our penny-pinching nature costing us more in the long-run under these owners is a delicious irony eh
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Its hardly penny pinching, £65m on Solanke, £40m on Gray plus the others in the Summer.

The fact is they have backed Ange and he has failed horrendously.

They arent backing him this January as they know he is a dead man walking, but want to see if he gets us a cup in his second season.

Very risky though, as it will take us down.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Its hardly penny pinching, £65m on Solanke, £40m on Gray plus the others in the Summer.

The fact is they have backed Ange and he has failed horrendously.

They arent backing him this January as they know he is a dead man walking, but want to see if he gets us a cup in his second season.

Very risky though, as it will take us down.
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Wages, wages, wages. When did we compete with other big clubs for players and blow them out because we offered more wages than the likes of Arsenal etc?
I doubt Solanke or Gray are on wages anywhere near the players they are replacing.

I don't think Ange was really backed last summer either, as i think they've viewed him as a dead man walking since last Spring tbh.

Whether you think Ange is/was backed he has indeed failed miserably and he isn't being replaced because it would expose their shambolic operations going back years and the fact that no-one worth their salt who is also ambitious would likely touch us now.
And no, ambition to me is not just taking the coaching job and quadrupling your salary; it's also wanting assurances that you will actually buy players at higher levels than we currently are prepared to sign
 
glorygloryeze said:
Wages, wages, wages. When did we compete with other big clubs for players and blew them out because we offered more wages than the likes of Arsenal etc?
I doubt Solanke or Gray are on wages anywhere near the players they are replacing.

I don't think Ange was really backed last summer either, as i thin k they've viewed him as a dead man walking since last Spring tbh.

Whether you think Ange is/was backed he has indeed failed miserably and he isn't being replaced because it would expose their shambolic operations going back years and the fact that no-one worth their salt who is also ambitious would likely touch us now. And no, ambition to me is not just taking the coaching job and quadrupling your salary; it's also wanting assurances that you will actually buy players at higher levels than we currently are prepared to sign
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Agree on the wages part tbf and wasnt disagreeing with you just stating that he has had players bought for him, albeit I think the wrong players.

I think it is about saving face on this one, as we could get a trophy so Levy and co may feel that that will get the monkey off their backs, but as I said it is risky as we are flirting (although I 100% believe we are going down) with relegation.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
Agree on the wages part tbf and wasnt disagreeing with you just stating that he has had players bought for him, albeit I think the wrong players.

I think it is about saving face on this one, as we could get a trophy so Levy and co may feel that that will get the monkey off their backs, but as I said it is risky as we are flirting (although I 100% believe we are going down) with relegation.
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Tbh, with the way they have run the football side of things, i actually think we deserve to be relegated
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
I do too pal. This could be karma.
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Doing things on the cheap while charging so much money and creating so much income, and "pretending" to care about the football side of things, and lucking out with Poch and a few other managers. He kept thinking he could get away with it, cos to be honest he has. Well maybe now they circle has completed.......we shall see.

Ipswich and Southampton have to play, if Ipswich win, and when we lose at Ipswich the comfy "8 point" or whatever we have, becomes 2. Don't we still have to go to Hammers and Wolves?? I cant believe he is wiling to chance it. Cos if we go down....we ain't coming back up
 
Mrs Vert said:
Doing things on the cheap while charging so much money and creating so much income, and "pretending" to care about the football side of things, and lucking out with Poch and a few other managers. He kept thinking he could get away with it, cos to be honest he has. Well maybe now they circle has completed.......we shall see.

Ipswich and Southampton have to play, if Ipswich win, and when we lose at Ipswich the comfy "8 point" or whatever we have, becomes 2. Don't we still have to go to Hammers and Wolves?? I cant believe he is wiling to chance it. Cos if we go down....we ain't coming back up
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Well thats bloody depressing.
 
RigorMortis said:
Actually the fact he tried something different for once last week was at least a sign that he’s adaptable. The fact he failed miserably is to me a sign of the fact he is out of his depth.

On the injury front, yes he has had injuries but does that excuse the massive failings which have been seen since November 2023.
If this run of form coincided with the injuries and we had been brilliant prior to that, there could be some justification in keeping him, although even there we aren’t just losing to the likes of arsenal and Liverpool, we are losing to Everton and Leicster.

We have been terrible for over a year, the guy is out of his depth.
Put us and him out of misery
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The team that we put out yesterday should have had enough about it to beat a Leicester team managed by RVN and on a 7 match losing streak. FFS they lost to Wolves 3-0 in that run, another team in the relegation positions and that should scare the absolute crap out of every one. Injuries are an excuse for the Ange to hang his incompetence on. You're in the PL Ange you have to find a way to keep Spurs in the PL and if you can't - Step aside pal. Ange is one thing but to not have a plan for if things continued to go south other than "he's safe while we are still in the cups" smacks of Senior Management who don't have a clue and will take us down.
 
djp82 said:
So we stick with him for two more games or so maybe he turns it round picks up the odd result and keeps us safe .

He has to be gone this Summer. We need change he’s not good enough for this league.
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Difficult to get a read on Levy and Lange/Munn haven't been here for that long so even more difficult. And we don't know exactly who would make a final call or if there's any disagreement internally about what to do.

On Levy though he's not been one to keep managers around if he thinks they're "done" soon or in the summer. Ange hasn't had a meltdown like Conte for example, perhaps that keeps him in a job longer while being on "borrowed time". But Levy has never been shy about getting rid when things turn sour.

Then again, may be that in most of those previous situations too many of the players no longer fully believed in or worked hard enough for the manager and that made Levy pull the trigger.

Personally though, if the decision was already made that he'll be gone in the summer we'd most likely be actively looking to get a replacement in now and Ange would be on his way out the door.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Now it might become a bit clearer to more people that we as a football outfit aren't really that good or attractive to prospective managers who we would like to employ.

Funny how it's effectively the worst PL coach we've had under ENIC that is the one "given the longest time and backing" haha.

No, it's just because removing him will expose to an even wider fanbase and media the shambles that is our football operations as headed by Levy (or now Munn, if you like).

Our penny-pinching nature costing us more in the long-run under these owners is a delicious irony eh
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I think we're a fairly attractive club to potential managers. Obviously not up there with the biggest clubs, but we have a very talented squad, decent spending power and we've seen mid table and lower level PL teams attract some really good managers in the past and now.

But if people are looking only at names that would potentially be in the running for the very top jobs it will be slim pickings.
 
braineclipse said:
I think we're a fairly attractive club to potential managers. Obviously not up there with the biggest clubs, but we have a very talented squad, decent spending power and we've seen mid table and lower level PL teams attract some really good managers in the past and now.

But if people are looking only at names that would potentially be in the running for the very top jobs it will be slim pickings.
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Do you think we are more attractive than when we hired Ange or less attractive?
 
I am really struggling with this and have been pondering it all day. I want/ wanted to give Ange every possibility to succeed and I am totally behind the idea of a rebuild that will take time to come to fruition.
And I’m happy to temper any expectations during that time. But my line in the sand has been serious risk of relegation which I never thought would really happen, and still don’t really think it will (wishful thinking maybe) but it’s now becoming a huge risk that we simply cannot let happen. I haven’t seen the NLD, Everton or Leicester games so my info on those have come from match reviews and from posts on here and it doesn’t sound good at all. I think Levy will stick it out as long as possible as a) he will be listening to Munn and Lange and b) I believe he wants Ange to succeed as he represents (philosophically) the type of football that we all wanted. But he’s not going to risk us getting relegated - and rightly so - therefore Ange has a very limited time to turn this around. The one thing that gives me hope is that the players are still playing for him (at least those who are fit to be selected - and who knows if all injuries are genuine or some players are ducking responsibility) - which means they are still tuned in to his philosophy. So on balance I’d like to give him to end of season to see how he turns it around - but we have to bring in re-enforcements, even if just loans, to see us through. And he has to change some of his decisions and game management (can he do that?). But lose to Brentford and Utd and he has to go. I’m ignoring the cups for now as the league is the most important. We simply cannot get relegated.
I suppose it’s heart says in. Head says out. Heart wins for now but it’s wavering hugely.
 
Lilbaz said:
I know the question isn't aimed at me. But i'd say more attractive.
Starting with a very low bar. Good young talent. Haven't got the captain and all time top scorer leaving.
A good coach will surely think he can do better with this squad than ange.
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Easier taking over a job with low expectations.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I am really struggling with this and have been pondering it all day. I want/ wanted to give Ange every possibility to succeed and I am totally behind the idea of a rebuild that will take time to come to fruition.
And I’m happy to temper any expectations during that time. But my line in the sand has been serious risk of relegation which I never thought would really happen, and still don’t really think it will (wishful thinking maybe) but it’s now becoming a huge risk that we simply cannot let happen. I haven’t seen the NLD, Everton or Leicester games so my info on those have come from match reviews and from posts on here and it doesn’t sound good at all. I think Levy will stick it out as long as possible as a) he will be listening to Munn and Lange and b) I believe he wants Ange to succeed as he represents (philosophically) the type of football that we all wanted. But he’s not going to risk us getting relegated - and rightly so - therefore Ange has a very limited time to turn this around. The one thing that gives me hope is that the players are still playing for him (at least those who are fit to be selected - and who knows if all injuries are genuine or some players are ducking responsibility) - which means they are still tuned in to his philosophy. So on balance I’d like to give him to end of season to see how he turns it around - but we have to bring in re-enforcements, even if just loans, to see us through. And he has to change some of his decisions and game management (can he do that?). But lose to Brentford and Utd and he has to go. I’m ignoring the cups for now as the league is the most important. We simply cannot get relegated.
I suppose it’s heart says in. Head says out. Heart wins for now but it’s wavering hugely.
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I'm not sure that this is the case to be honest. Not that I think our players have downed tools - I think they're too professional to do that. However, to me they look like they have no faith in what they are doing - there is no belief there. That extra few per cent a manager can get from players - it's not there.

When I see the manager's demeanour and listen to him speak, I think we're seeing a manager unravel before our eyes. He looks like he doesn't know what to do. Players will pick up on that stuff.
 
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