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Danny Rose

90291Spur said:
Two pieces on Rose and racism in 'the game'

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/04/danny-rose-football-racism-england-tottenham

Also interesting that he can spend €80,000 on a night out.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ism-ready-to-leave-the-game-tottenham-england
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That's got no relevance whatsover! What other line of work can you name where you go out with yours mates and blow a weeks wages and a couple of days later, while doing your job, get called out for having a different skin colour or religion?????? :rolleyes:

Just noted your next comment 3 posts down, which kinda lessens my ire :oops: but my point still stands.
 
I'm 100% with him on this.
And glad he is being bold (brave sounds patronising) and not waiting until after he retires.
Re; a night out-
I. Footballers can't go for a night out on a whim like most of us
II. It's relative. In London you can easily spend £30 on a couple of cheeky after work drinks. To some people £30 is alot of money.
 
mephitis said:
That's got no relevance whatsover! What other line of work can you name where you go out with yours mates and blow a weeks wages and a couple of days later, while doing your job, get called out for having a different skin colour or religion?????? :rolleyes:

Just noted your next comment 3 posts down, which kinda lessens my ire :oops: but my point still stands.
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I wasn’t saying ‘interesting’ in a critical way (about the spending). It is all relative to wages and tolerance for spending.

And what many fans (not saying you) forget is that while footballers appear to have a cushy existence, they are always one twist, turn or tackle away from the end of what is, even without injury, a very short career.
 
He’s absolutely right and it’s great to see him and Sterling really calling this stuff out. Howver, Danny doesn’t articulate himself very well sometimes. I get the sense Rose has a lot going on in his head and I hope he’s getting whatever support he needs.

He’s living the dream that most of us had and will never realise. The racist abuse he gets is disgusting and unacceptable but to say that he can’t wait until his career is over suggests to me that there is a bit more going on with him.
 
Honestly feel bad for him. He seems weak mentally away from the pitch and hope that he gets therapy after the game as i can see the demons come out in him.

I like Danny and I like his honesty
 
They may get paid a lot of money and lead what appears to be a pampered life but they also sacrifice a lot of what the average person would consider to be the essentials for keeping themselves sane.
If he's not enjoying the football and experiencing abuse to the level that he is you can't blame him for looking forward to leaving it all behind.
 
glasgowspur said:
They may get paid a lot of money and lead what appears to be a pampered life but they also sacrifice a lot of what the average person would consider to be the essentials for keeping themselves sane.
If he's not enjoying the football and experiencing abuse to the level that he is you can't blame him for looking forward to leaving it all behind.
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That's a good point but to be at at the elite level of club and international football, playing for a top club, in front of tens of thousands of people every week, being adored by kids...there are huge sacrifices but what a great way to make a living.

It's desperately sad that he feels that way and can't enjoy it.

I really hope UEFA don't bottle it with whatever punishment they hand out to Montenegro. I fear that they will though.
 
DeanoAustin said:
That's a good point but to be at at the elite level of club and international football, playing for a top club, in front of tens of thousands of people every week, being adored by kids...there are huge sacrifices but what a great way to make a living.

It's desperately sad that he feels that way and can't enjoy it.

I really hope UEFA don't bottle it with whatever punishment they hand out to Montenegro. I fear that they will though.
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It is a great way to make a living, but it must become awfully tiresome as well.

Uefa will definitely bottle it, there's nothing surer.
 
glasgowspur said:
They may get paid a lot of money and lead what appears to be a pampered life but they also sacrifice a lot of what the average person would consider to be the essentials for keeping themselves sane.
If he's not enjoying the football and experiencing abuse to the level that he is you can't blame him for looking forward to leaving it all behind.
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There have been a number of signs that he hasn’t been enjoying his football for a long time - he seems a troubled soul for sure.

He is right to speak out, without a doubt. My only worry with his choice of words is that a lot of people will look at the headlines and think ‘Entitled and privileged footballer moaning about his lot’ and will therefore miss the actual issue.
 
Mikey10 said:
There have been a number of signs that he hasn’t been enjoying his football for a long time - he seems a troubled soul for sure.

He is right to speak out, without a doubt. My only worry with his choice of words is that a lot of people will look at the headlines and think ‘Entitled and privileged footballer moaning about his lot’ and will therefore miss the actual issue.
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Yes the way the media have framed it isn't ideal.
Cynic in me thinks that's not totally accidental.
 
Danny needs better advisors,
He justifiably wants to make an important point about racism. Yet he makes it in a way that allows others, if they wish to, to present the story in a way that confuses and obscures the message. What are people talking about - how much money footballers earn, rather than football's inability to police, sanction and prevent racism effectively.

When you are dealing with these kinds of issues there is no room for off the cuff remarks - Danny needs specific media training to help him articulate his messages in the most effective way, to use language precisely and carefully, and also to fully appreciate how the media works and why the way you deliver and frame messages is so important.
 
ringo said:
Danny needs better advisors,
He justifiably wants to make an important point about racism. Yet he makes it in a way that allows others, if they wish to, to present the story in a way that confuses and obscures the message. What are people talking about - how much money footballers earn, rather than football's inability to police, sanction and prevent racism effectively.

When you are dealing with these kinds of issues there is no room for off the cuff remarks - Danny needs specific media training to help him articulate his messages in the most effective way, to use language precisely and carefully, and also to fully appreciate how the media works and why the way you deliver and frame messages is so important.
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Spot on. The guardian journalists talks about how they love him as he provides honest and therefore potentially controversial interviews. What he didn’t add is that gives the opportunity to shape his comments into something that will invite more clicks / sales regardless of how they were intended.

The £80k a night out comment actually does have something in it - it’s not about his or any other players excesses, it’s given that there is so much money in the game how can a fine less than a club will pay one of its players a week be an actual deterrent. Danny seems to turn all of the issues into personal ones - I don’t enjoy playing, I want to leave to go up North, I want to us to sign players, I don’t like playing at a Wembley and if he had some coaching in delivering these messages differently there’d be less opportunity for the message to be clouded by the ‘millionaire footballer hates his job’ narrative.

It’s the same in all professions, I work for an investment bank and I see / occasionally spout a few ‘first world problems’ that a lot of the population would probably like to have and wouldn’t see as issues at all!
 
DeanoAustin said:
He’s absolutely right and it’s great to see him and Sterling really calling this stuff out. Howver, Danny doesn’t articulate himself very well sometimes. I get the sense Rose has a lot going on in his head and I hope he’s getting whatever support he needs.

He’s living the dream that most of us had and will never realise. The racist abuse he gets is disgusting and unacceptable but to say that he can’t wait until his career is over suggests to me that there is a bit more going on with him.
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Wouldn't be surprising, I've always thought it must be a weird world to live in. Education a rarity. Trophy wives and golf. Weird.
 
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