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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

billyiddo said:
You need to realise it's a reaction to people saying we are doing well in the cups - we aren't we are simply doing what. is expected. No ones saying it's bad or a negative, that's just twisting what is being said and IDK you persist in doing so.
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Agreed
 
billyiddo said:
You need to realise it's a reaction to people saying we are doing well in the cups - we aren't we are simply doing what. is expected. No ones saying it's bad or a negative, that's just twisting what is being said and IDK you persist in doing so.

If we lose v City/Everton/Wolfsberger would you be saying we done well in the cups this year? No - so why are you saying we are doing well in the cups now?
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If we lose to city I’d say it’s par as it’s a final
Lose to Everton... par again as it’s normal for us to lose when playing a decent side
Lose to Wolfsburger and it’s a shocker
 
Diamond Lights said:
West Ham DO NOT have better players than us. They just have a solid method, well drilled, and play to their strengths. If we did the same, we'd be above them.
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Completely. The two points which you mentioned are what we are missing and what I've been mentioning too - we lack a system and aren't playing to our strengths. We're almost playing to our weaknesses - inviting teams on to us puts our defence under pressure, and means our decent players on the ball have less of it!!!
 
billyiddo said:
Sounds like you agree with what we're saying then.
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I can’t come to be honest as I don’t know who is flagging the cups up as a shining light?

what I will say is why comments about our cup run is just digging up more stuff for the sake of it, almost as if trying to make more mud stick
 
It will be a miracle if we beat Chelsea tonight.... no kane, defence look cracked, esteem and morale low .... the exact win that teams get against us hahah
 
Gazza said:
It will be a miracle if we beat Chelsea tonight.... no kane, defence look cracked, esteem and morale low .... the exact win that teams get against us hahah
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If you watched Lingard last night it went a long way to proving miracles can happen.

Look at Brighton also.
 
Gazza said:
It will be a miracle if we beat Chelsea tonight.... no kane, defence look cracked, esteem and morale low .... the exact win that teams get against us hahah
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Yet City have no De Bruyne and Aguero, Liverpool no Van Dijk, and still manage to win. We can win without Kane, but not if we employ the standard low block and counter with Son which is what every man and his dog knows is all we have.

If only we had a well drilled offensive structure and process in the team.
 
Baleforce said:
I think he is more likely to than anybody else, given a reasonable amount of time.

Same with the European Cup.
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How long is a reasonable amount of time and what would your trigger be for calling time on him?

Missing CL qualification (by any means) this year?
Missing top 4 and no silverware either?
Missing out on European football entirely?
Finishing outside of the top 10?
Relegation?
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I find it odd for anyone to single out wins as a negative spin on performance. It’s cup football and we are in it still in those competitions.

we should say in the cups we haven’t roostered up like we have historically then. Surely that’s a positive? When was the last time we were halfway through a season and in all the competitions we started in? I can’t remember TBH, maybe it was recent, maybe it wasn’t
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We got to more semi finals and finals under Poch than any other manager didn’t we? Indeed I think one of the reasons we failed to get over the line under Poch may have been our paper thin squad going far in the cups as well as being in the top four so being physically spent at the business end of the season.
 
Finney Is Back said:
How long is a reasonable amount of time and what would your trigger be for calling time on him?

Missing CL qualification (by any means) this year?
Missing top 4 and no silverware either?
Missing out on European football entirely?
Finishing outside of the top 10?
Relegation?
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It all depends on circumstance, injuries and the like, so it's a moveable feast.

Under normal conditions, I'd give him this season unless relegation became a worry.

Then next season until it looked like CL qualification wasn't on.

Whatever happens in the domestic cups this season doesn't matter to me.
 
thfcsteff said:
Sorry, I don't buy it.
You're saying it is a club thing? Lack of hunger affects players here? Jesus...
You're forcing me to say it, so I will.
Under Pochettino we climbed from mediocrity to a top 10 world club, consistent top 4, consistent title challengers and CL Finalists. All whilst spending two seasons away from a home stadium. All under a tight budget. We won countless big games, and I cannot remember if it was you or someone who said "well he had more games in his tenure"...the thing about it is, he CREATED more big games by making more games mean more because we were competing for real trophies!!!

Bale? He was ALWAYS going to need special management, bespoke, an arm around the shoulder and a reminder he is still quality. I don't like Redknapp but he would absolutely get more out of Bale (again, I don't like him and I will not forget when he nearly gave up on him).

All this meteorology stuff...you need to be a unit. You need to be a family. Look at Klopp, they'd fudging die for him because he is not just a leader of men, he genuinely shows warmth and respect to his squad. OGS - who BTW I always felt long term was their answer once they'd given him the job- is starting to reap some reward. Rodgers, even though he's a Brent, same thing, he runs it like a family.

Mourinho runs it like a family, but the sort of family where you're going to be a doctor or lawyer, and if you want to be an artist or an actor you can fudge off or stay quiet because that's not his way. It is who he is (I would agree my metaphor is nothing more than conjecture, but the rest stands true IMO).

It's great he's having nice chats with Dele, but he should've been having them before. That is his job!

The meteorology thing is such a tired, tired argument.
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I don’t buy the Club thing either or this sexy crap

We don’t know if he hasn’t been having chats with Dele other than recently

He certainly did in the ‘All or Nothing’ documentary as he did with Rose!

I wonder what Ledley’s take on it is
He isn’t saying much but then maybe it’s not his way but as a good defender he must look at Ben Davies Sanchez Aurier Doherty and Dier and think
WTF

Toby is over the hill but still miles better than that lot as is Danny!
I’m hoping Rodon can learn a lot from Toby

I’ve said it on other threads though that your defence stems from having confidence in your keeper
Hugo is way off it now making big mistakes
He should never have retained the captaincy after driving while drunk imv
Poch was incredibly weak there

I haven’t started on our midfield yet!!!

Jose has a lot of work to do
 
thfcsteff said:
In the spirit of debate as always mate...

First of all, for the record, you raised Poch's name here again. I did not. So any of the Poch references in this post and the one I posted prior in response to your assertions.

Your first point has no relevance to my post. I actually do not blame all our ills on Mourinho. There are others responsible. But I am merely pointing out that at this moment in time, who has ultimate responsibility? You seem unwilling to bestow that duty upon the manager, which I find strange.

Second point. "Most?" OK, if that is your definition of "most" then so be it. I think the breakdown shows that it was hardly "most".

Who helped anyone get the sack? Please. There were a myriad of issues behind what happened with Pochettino, and that's a wagon we can circle in his thread if you so wish, but blaming the players is a cop out IMO. Managers and coaches are there to manage and coach. Chairman are there to lead. There are many who can share responsibility. Now, if you give the proper credence to Levy here, and say that he has done his level best to support Mourinho, then the avenues for responsibility get narrower.

Finally, you claim "a lot of fans" said that "players helped get Poch the sack." I don't think so. More to the point, I think that I am a better football fan than the rest of you piled in him when -despite context- it wasn't going well. HE was the problem according to moaners, and rarely were players cited as the reason.

The truth is that Mourinho is amidst a very, very tough moment right now. He has choices to make, and most revolve around how he manages and conducts affairs at the club. Is he being held to a high standard? Absolutely. He was sold to everyone with his reputation and trophy record as the man who WOULD bring it all back for us. He still might well deliver a couple trophies. If you're going to feel that winning the Carabao Cup is justification for his appt, good for you.
For me personally, only the Europa/top 4 would get him across the line. Were he capable of fostering a sense of pride and entertainment in the club (as opposed to grudging acceptance that he should be supported by virtue of being here) then I think many -including myself- would give him ample time. He is the one who does things in three years or burns the house down.

Make no mistake, he is ultimately responsible for everything going on with the first team squad.

Here's to Jose making a monkey out of me, winning on Thursday, winning Europa, hitting top 4 and setting the table for the title next season! I won't be afraid to tell you I got it wrong mate...
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As you say mate it will always be in the spirt of debate :)

But as i said in my post we are never going to agree over this and there is no point going around the garden about it. We view if different and that is how it will probably remain. As a wise man once said it all about opinions and just like arseholes every one has one.:) Of course that is said in the spirt of debate. :)
 
billyiddo said:
Dele over seasons 3 and 4 of his time here was certainly no shirker of his defensive responsibilities - @scaramanga posted a good article about in the Dele thread a while back. The black mark against him was always his tendency to give the ball away in a frustrating manner.
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Which is one of Jose’s pet hates the little flicks that don’t come off but if he’s delivering on other aspects then go with it

It’s not that we’re spoilt for choice!
 
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