Grays_1890
Chris Jones
Hahah love Dave Allen BTW, brilliant
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Hahah love Dave Allen BTW, brilliant
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George Hunt
Well, it has presented as a 'word filter' alteration. As forum leader, I hope he changes it. I have no idea who did it.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
And the one that apparently changes ‘*struggle cuddle*’ to ‘struggle cuddle’, please. I didn’t notice it myself, maybe because I have the swear filter switched off or because I’ve been skim reading some of the longer posts. But it’s just not funny.
You make some good points. But I can counter that with the Pakistani Muslims in Bradford, Rochdale and many, many other towns and cities in the north where you can see the go to of these males is to subjugate and *struggle cuddle* vulnerable young white girls. It's in the tens of thousands of the victims. It's barely reported now when another gang is found out. It's still going on. And the families of these scum knew what was going on. They dont see us as the same as them. I could also say the same about the Jews in Stamford Hill. They simply don't see us. There's no attempt to integrate.
We are still in the belief...or some folks are....that given enough time they will see our values and want to join our society. It's nonsense. They want Sharia law. In fact they have Sharia law courts in these towns but we turn a blind eye for fear of upsetting them and being accused of racism. It's also true with the Chinese community. They have their own police stations here. All over the country. Including Northern Ireland. And it's happening in Sweden, Germany, France all over Europe.
The religion of peace should not be allowed a toe hold in this country. Our benevolence is seen as weakness. Our tolerance would not be allowed in their countries of islam. The west is a joke. Our culture is seen as dirty by our politicians. I'm left wing. But the older I get the more I see what is going on
But we acted when we saw what was going on in the Catholic church. It's the main reason no one goes to church. We have evolved.
The communities in the north knew what was happening but didn't care.
Most religions are as nice as pie, until you break one of their laws, and your getting stoned, imprisoned, lashed and beaten, set on fire.
And that is a great story to hear.
My dad, traveled through Africa and one day he was walking on the beach and some boys were playing football, and he joined in and watched, then Elders came shouted at the boys and moved on. So my dad went back to the camp with some people he was staying with, the villagers brought a hog, killed and shared the meal with my dad and some drink, one of the most special moments in his life, said it was amazing.
Anyway, a few years later my dad was waiting in an airport, and started speaking to someone, he was telling his stories and this person knew of this area in Africa and the people. Anyway, a few months after my dad left, some guy did wrong (don't know what) and they same people that treated my dad so amazingly, killed this other guy.
It's true, some people around the world are amazing, and you hear some fantastic stories, but you can't ignore what goes on as whole.
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Wasn't a scandal a few months/years ago when Chinese police officer where tracking down dissidents and Chinese critics of their government?
Here we go- https://news.sky.com/story/chinese-...says-security-minister-tom-tugendhat-12897561
And the when give Chagos to Mauritius for no reason whatsoever, other than a corrupt UN making BS decisions, when the Chinese and Mauritius have been doing lots of deals with China recently. We all know about China's silk road project.
And what do we do? UK Gov gets down on their knees and sucks em off, for cheap Chinese knock offs and possibly steel. I have heard that Kier "Traitor" Starmer wants a deal with China.
Why don't we make more use of the Common Wealth and use it do some good, rather than doing deals with a country that is stealing land, redrawing borders, breaking international maritime laws with the likes of the Spratly Islands and elsewhere.
FFS! It's no different to Merkel/EU sucking off Putin after the invasion of Crimea and expecting him to be a nice boy. China playing people for mugs, the last thing we need is deals with them.
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The Chagos thing was bizarre. Mauritius is further away to the Chagos islands than the Falklands is to Argentina by about twice the distance. It was a UN decree. But who stands by them these days? Just bizarre. This was easily the worst decision starmer did in his first 100 days.
He didn't need to do it.
22 Billion on carbon Capture, just days of crying about a £22 billion black hole in the finances.
But Chagos wasn't even an island that was colonized by them, they just went there to pick up people who got lost at sea and ended up there, or caught in storms.
It was colonized by the French, and the salve they got from Africa and India. Mauritius has zero claim to the Island.
More importantly it's a massively integral refueling area if brick hits the fan. Admittedly we have control for 100 years. But China works in centuries.
And yes. Mauritius has zero claim to the islands. It was a bad move by starmer.
An unforced error. Although I will say my friend. And here's where I think we will disagree. Johnson was the biggest clam ever to occupy number 10. Thank GHod for Labour.
He was, but Labour put him there, because they refused to respect of the vote of 17.2 million people.
We voted to leave the EU, the next conversation should have been, what kind of country do we want be "Outside of the EU", not half in, half out, or a second vote, or making it illegal to walk out on a bad deal, or throw the toys out the prams for 4 years.
He was smart enough to say "Get Brexit Done" as that is what the people wanted. Just as Trump was smart enough to sell change, when America was screaming for change after the 2008 crash and the corruption of the banking system, and like the UK, had national policies that looked after the financial centres and left the rest of the country to rot.
If Bernie Sanders (Who I wanted) had got chosen, they would have won, he would have given the change America needed, but they blew it and the democrats went for corporate America's suck off Lady Hilary "All I have to offer is a fanny" Clinton, the complete opposite of what the people of America needed.
The left did it to themselves, all the do is cry about democracy, then when it doesn't go their way, cry how unfair Democracy is, only 30% of people voted for Tories blah blah.
And they are doing it again to themselves.
You want to debate, properly… ok I’m here.
You talk about’Muslim” hating women, which Muslims? The Muslims from countries that gave women the right to vote before many of the west? The Muslim countries that have had multiple women prime ministers before even the USA has had one?
Those Muslims? Or are you talking about only the worst examples of Muslims while not considering the worst examples of other faiths or indeed none?
Or the examples of apostate laws in many Islamic countries that imprison and execute people for not believing in GHod, stoning same said women death.
Then should we talk about the History of the Islamic slave trade? Where the term slave comes from, due to the amount of "Slav's" the Ottoman empire and others took into slavery. And why Slovenia has 500 castles and was Europe's line of defense against the Ottomans.
Or the African slave trade, out of places like Zanzibar and where Swahili come from, this melting pot of African and Islamic trader cultures, hundreds of years, before the Europeans got involved. Cutting the rooster and balls off of boys as young as 8, with 6 out 10 dying, or the millions that died being dragged through the Saraha desert, and the ruler of the Abbasid Caliphate, bragging of 40,000 African slaves in his army during the 8 Century AD, with one paper claiming that some 17 million African's were enslaved by Islamic traders... Whilst it is only one paper and probably nowhere that high, we don't know as it was still however, as I say, 700-800 years before the Atlantic Slave Trade.
Why are people not screamimg for reparations from Islamic countries for their involvement in the slave trade? Why is whites who are the only told pay reporations? I think you should pay us, for having to spend so much money going after Islamic slave traders, who were throwing slaves over board to avoid the British anti-slavery fleets.
And how the Islamic world still had legal slavery until the 1960's.
Then should we talk about how Islam wipe cultures after cultures from the face of the map?
Or should we talk about 13 year old *struggle cuddle* victims became stars in Pakistan, as footage was spread about on mobile phones.
What about the Sharia Law, should we talk about that? And how in many islamic countries women are being improson, wiped, and lashed for being raped...
Yeah, not all Muslims are bad, but there are a lot that are.
And the bit in bold - Oh, I have, like the worst family in America (Christians), you should watch it, disgusting vile people. It's a Louis Theroux documentary...
Oh and if you can bothered I have already called out America's christian conservatives for the way they treat gay and trans people (critising Christianity influence on these nut jobs). And the Jewish hiding behind what happened in WW2 to justify what they have done to Palestinians... Which is down to Zionists who think they have right to land they lost over 3000 years ago.... Hmmmm.... Yeah, not criticised other religions at all....
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I like this guy a lot.
I don't hate Muslim's though (Hence why I am so fecking p*ssed at what Israel is doing), I hate the religion and I hate all the spin and BS and everything made out to all lovey dovey, nothing to worry about when it could be further from the truth, there are good points and bad points to everything. But we never get both sides, everything is dishonest
And it's good to have balanced from of ideas coming in and out of a country, different ways of thinking. It is a real positive, just not when it so chaotic and the numbers are insanely high.
And every debate, the first response is you are racist.
There is a guy on another Spurs forum, he is a Muslim, he gave up his religion, but still considers himself a Muslim. IIRC, he said Muslim is a people, not a religion, so even though he no longer follows Islam, he is still a Muslim.
Anyway, cool guy, proper good Spurs fan.
But there is a growing clash of cultures and it is only going to get worse.
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Grays_1890
Chris Jones
You are missing the point, regardless of acting on it, the molestation of kids by the Catholic Church was not indicative of all Catholics in the same way that Northern Grooming gangs are not indicative of everyone that follows Islam.
And to your point there was a systematic cover up on the Catholic Church by not only the church but communities and authorities so they knew what was going on and didnt care till the rest of the world found out. And they are a still having issues to this day that the Vatican is having to be answerable to.
But to circle back, as @DTA rightly points out, examples of the worst and extremes of any religion does not account for everyone that is a believer of said religion.
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Is that it? Is that your come back? to point out the worst parts of Islam from the last 1500 years or so… if so, it’s laughable response because there is a list a lot fücking longer and more horrific of what the ‘west’ have done over the centuries.
I thought you wanted a proper debate?
However If we are playing top trumps let me know and I will oblige you with a list so much longer than yours that will cover a fraction of what has been done by the ‘west’
Like I said, I thought you wanted a ‘proper debate’?
if so, re-read my first reply to you again and see what it does to make you question your ‘truths’
In fact let me help you out by asking you a direct question:
How can Muslims be Anti women’s rights, when in many Muslim countries women were given more rights sooner then women that lived in the west, up to and including the right to vote?
How can such a misogynistic culture have directly elected women heads of state before most of the countries in the west have, including most notably the US of A
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