Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[spurspinter1]

It's uncomfortable. It really is. But unless we confront it we cannot move on. Islam is not who we are. And sadly we have imported millions of these people. 7.2 million. Since 2010. The vast majority are Muslims . It's changing us as a society. When will we wake up?

Who is the "we" you are referring to?

I'd rather not be grouped in the same royal "we" as you and your bestest friend ever, going by your tag team hateful chuckle brothers routine you've got going on!

If the "we" refers to the English, it takes some gall to be hysterical about supposed change to our society given our history of getting involved in the society of pretty much most other countries in the world at one stage or another. And when you say confronting the issue to move on, what does that mean? Spouting biased cherry picked instances from centuries ago is going to save "our" country? Or is it a looting Greggs / trying to burn down hotels approach you favour?

 

[Grays_1890]

Who is the "we" you are referring to?

I'd rather not be grouped in the same royal "we" as you and your bestest friend ever, going by your tag team hateful chuckle brothers routine you've got going on!

If the "we" refers to the English, it takes some gall to be hysterical about supposed change to our society given our history of getting involved in the society of pretty much most other countries in the world at one stage or another. And when you say confronting the issue to move on, what does that mean? Spouting biased cherry picked instances from centuries ago is going to save "our" country? Or is it a looting Greggs / trying to burn down hotels approach you favour?

Absolutely this, I probably spend too much time on twitter, but all this stuff over recent days is just straight out of the Tommy Robinson play book, it's grim. Proper football alliance stuff, its Tweddle Dee and Tweddle Dumber

 

[SkipRat]

Is that it? Is that your come back? to point out the worst parts of Islam from the last 1500 years or so… if so, it’s laughable response because there is a list a lot fücking longer and more horrific of what the ‘west’ have done over the centuries.

I thought you wanted a proper debate?

However If we are playing top trumps let me know and I will oblige you with a list so much longer than yours that will cover a fraction of what has been done by the ‘west’

Like I said, I thought you wanted a ‘proper debate’?

if so, re-read my first reply to you again and see what it does to make you question your ‘truths’

In fact let me help you out by asking you a direct question:

How can Muslims be Anti women’s rights, when in many *bacon dodger* countries women were given more rights sooner then women that lived in the west, up to and including the right to vote?

How can such a misogynistic culture have directly elected women heads of state before most of the countries in the west have, including most notably the US of A

Funny how it's Brits are constantly judged for what we did in the past.

But don't judge Islam for what it did in the past. Different rules for us, only white people get called out for the stuff they did.

And you may well have given rights to women, but it doesn't stop the fact that across large parts of the Islamic world women are being refused an education, forced to wear a hijab or risk being beaten. Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, Sudan, and look at how they treat women, arranged marriages. Even Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, I wonder what's going on over there, all gone quiet now they are wests new best friends.

Is amazing how you ignore huge chunks to justify your claim.

And your right go to a country like Malaysia, and it's completely different, and it's pretty moderate and chilled, yet still even women treat differently and have less rights then men.

Yeah, Islam treats women just fine and equal if you ignore most of the Islamic world.

 

[SkipRat]

Who is the "we" you are referring to?

I'd rather not be grouped in the same royal "we" as you and your bestest friend ever, going by your tag team hateful chuckle brothers routine you've got going on!

If the "we" refers to the English, it takes some gall to be hysterical about supposed change to our society given our history of getting involved in the society of pretty much most other countries in the world at one stage or another. And when you say confronting the issue to move on, what does that mean? Spouting biased cherry picked instances from centuries ago is going to save "our" country? Or is it a looting Greggs / trying to burn down hotels approach you favour?

Your right we did get involved in many other countries.

We went war on slavery, spread democracy, education, built infrastructure, nearly all the places we went to are functioning democratic societies today, we never wiped any culture of the map.

Yet, we are only told about the bad stuff we did, never the good that we did.

And yeah, the roiting thugs deserved what they got, looting and trying to set fire to buildings with people inside, abhorent behaviour.

Funny how you, the media, the police, the government haven't openly condemned the Muslim gangs, roaming the streets with machetes and knives, attacking people in cars, pubs, and on the streets.

Were are the public calls for these Muslim rioters to be identified, and publicly shamed on social media by police when sentenced.

One rule for one, another rule for the other, and people wonder why people make claims regarding two tier policing, and two tier Starmer.

I would have condemned and shamed both sides.

 

[SkipRat]

Absolutely this, i probably spend too much time on twitter, but all this stuff over recent days is just straight out of the Tommy Robinson play book, it's grim. Proper football alliance stuff

Once again, calling people far right having knowledge about what is going on around the rest of the world.

Those evil nazis not liking women being treated like 2nd class citizens, beaten, and having their rights taken away from them.

Such horrible people.

 

[Batspur]

Who is the "we" you are referring to?

I'd rather not be grouped in the same royal "we" as you and your bestest friend ever, going by your tag team hateful chuckle brothers routine you've got going on!

If the "we" refers to the English, it takes some gall to be hysterical about supposed change to our society given our history of getting involved in the society of pretty much most other countries in the world at one stage or another. And when you say confronting the issue to move on, what does that mean? Spouting biased cherry picked instances from centuries ago is going to save "our" country? Or is it a looting Greggs / trying to burn down hotels approach you favour?

I'm sorry you hate to be called English/British.

I once worked in a butchers in Cheshunt that supplied sausage meat to Greggs. I have never eaten in any high street bakery that serves sausage rolls since. Although I would recommend the Waitrose Lincolnshire sausage rolls. £3.50 each or 2 for £4 with your Waitrose card atm.

It is pork based though.

 

[spurspinter1]

I'm sorry you hate to be called English/British.

I once worked in a butchers in Cheshunt that supplied sausage meat to Greggs. I have never eaten in any high street bakery that serves sausage rolls since. Although I would recommend the Waitrose Lincolnshire sausage rolls. £3.50 each or 2 for £4 with your Waitrose card atm.

It is pork based though.

Well aren't you just a big ol' bundle of misunderstanding! Comprehension not your strong point, it's a shame you and your bezzie can't provide any actual answers on questions. I'll ask again, what does confronting the issue mean to you, does it really amount to trolling online?

I don't recall asking you whether you'd eaten at Greggs, I'd recommend the vegan sausage roll, being a Bacon dodger of the vegetarian variety (the term seems more appropriate to describe us bloody veggies rather than followers of any given faith).

 

[spurspinter1]

Your right we did get involved in many other countries.

We went war on slavery, spread democracy, education, built infrastructure, nearly all the places we went to are functioning democratic societies today, we never wiped any culture of the map.

Yet, we are only told about the bad stuff we did, never the good that we did.

And yeah, the roiting thugs deserved what they got, looting and trying to set fire to buildings with people inside, abhorent behaviour.

Funny how you, the media, the police, the government haven't openly condemned the *bacon dodger* gangs, roaming the streets with machetes and knives, attacking people in cars, pubs, and on the streets.

Were are the public calls for these *bacon dodger* rioters to be identified, and publicly shamed on social media by police when sentenced.

One rule for one, another rule for the other, and people wonder why people make claims regarding two tier policing, and two tier Starmer.

I would have condemned and shamed both sides.

"Fear not primitive savages, the British are here to spread education and democracy! You would have voted for this but you evidently haven't figured that whole thing out so let us show you the ways......Oh these things? Just some guns that'll cut down crowds of people who misunderstand our generosity. Don't worry about that, just do whatever we say and it'll all be fine......"

Who knows what the fudge you're talking about in regards to people with machetes. Is it really funny that people like me haven't condemned that? Have you got a record of every time I've spoken out on any issue? I don't remember coming out in support of random acts of violence, you'll have to quote me on that, or, you can graciously apologize and take it back - Perhaps be a bit more considerate with your wording and being a touch less hysterical.

 

[Batspur]

Well aren't you just a big ol' bundle of misunderstanding! Comprehension not your strong point, it's a shame you and your bezzie can't provide any actual answers on questions. I'll ask again, what does confronting the issue mean to you, does it really amount to trolling online?

I don't recall asking you whether you'd eaten at Greggs, I'd recommend the vegan sausage roll, being a Bacon dodger of the vegetarian variety (the term seems more appropriate to describe us bloody veggies rather than followers of any given faith).

The issue is the Islamaphication (sic) by stealth of this country. Every school in London, Manchester and Birmingham has halal food. Why? We are not an Islamist state. The acceptance of school girls wearing hijabs from the age of 7. This isn't even in Koran. The acceptance that Pakistani Muslims raping white girls is just something we need to build into our diversity. The clamour for Sharia law in certain parts of the country. The complete lack of integration and if it's questioned why, we have white knights riding in to champion their cause like yourself. I remember this conversation happening in the 80s and it was shot down as racism and given time it would change (bit like give levy a couple more years and we'll win a trophy for sure, just 2 more years) Except it's become worse and there are literally different societies in this country now. It's not just here. In fact we have less a problem than France and Germany. Even Sweden.

The issue is the growing influence of islam in our country. Is that clear enough for you Sir?

Edit. For some reason I had a feeling you was a vegan

 

[SkipRat]

"Fear not primitive savages, the British are here to spread education and democracy! You would have voted for this but you evidently haven't figured that whole thing out so let us show you the ways......Oh these things? Just some guns that'll cut down crowds of people who misunderstand our generosity. Don't worry about that, just do whatever we say and it'll all be fine......"

Who knows what the fudge you're talking about in regards to people with machetes. Is it really funny that people me haven't condemned that? Have you got a record of every time I've spoken out on any issue? I don't remember coming out in support of random acts of violence, you'll have to quite me on that, or, perhaps be a bit more considerate with your wording and being a touch less hysterical.

Amongst historians, its been argued the reaon Britain colonised so much was to ensure slaver trade never happened again.

And as for the machetes, just goes to show how little the general population is showed.

During the recent riots, mobs of muslim men were walking the streets, many with machetes and other tools.

Yet nothing was said, by police, media, and government.

Hilarious.

 

[spurspinter1]

The issue is the Islamaphication (sic) by stealth of this country. Every school in London, Manchester and Birmingham has halal food. Why? We are not an Islamist state. The acceptance of school girls wearing hijabs from the age of 7. This isn't even in Koran. The acceptance that Pakistani Muslims raping white girls is just something we need to build into our diversity. The clamour for Sharia law in certain parts of the country. The complete lack of integration and if it's questioned why, we have white knights riding in to champion their cause like yourself. I remember this conversation happening in the 80s and it was shot down as racism and given time it would change (bit like give levy a couple more years and we'll win a trophy for sure, just 2 more years) Except it's become worse and there are literally different societies in this country now. It's not just here. In fact we have less a problem than France and Germany. Even Sweden.

The issue is the growing influence of islam in our country. Is that clear enough for you Sir?

I didn't ask what the issue is, again it must be a comprehension problem. If you're just going to imagine I ask a question and then answer that one with a copy and paste from some NF propaganda it isn't a discussion. What do you mean by confronting the issue? Literally the third time of asking. It will be my last.

FWIW I believe in separation of church and state alongside tolerance of different faiths, it gets interesting when you look in to tolerance in intolerance and where that threshold lies but that's a whole other conversation.

 

[Batspur]

I didn't ask what the issue is, again it must be a comprehension problem. If you're just going to imagine I ask a question and then answer that one with a copy and paste from some NF propaganda it isn't a discussion. What do you mean by confronting the issue? Literally the third time of asking. It will be my last.

FWIW I believe in separation of church and state alongside tolerance of different faiths, it gets interesting when you look in to tolerance in intolerance and where that threshold lies but that's a whole other conversation.

You literally said

I'll ask again, what does confronting the issue mean to you, does it really amount to trolling online

You're not very good at this are you? I suspect you have iron deficiency. I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago.

 

[spurspinter1]

Amongst historians, its been argued the reaon Britain colonised so much was to ensure slaver trade never happened again.

And as for the machetes, just goes to show how little the general population is showed.

During the recent riots, mobs of *bacon dodger* men were walking the streets, many with machetes and other tools.

Yet nothing was said, by police, media, and government.

Hilarious.

Are these historians you speak of in the room with you right now?

No apology and / retraction of the comment then? Stick to your laughing emojis, that's a more mature way of discussing things rather than holding yourself accountable for your words I guess petal, you do you.

 

[spurspinter1]

You literally said

I'll ask again, what does confronting the issue mean to you, does it really amount to trolling online

You're not very good at this are you? I suspect you have iron deficiency. I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago.

Describing an issue (whether its a paranoid delusion or not) is not confronting it so okay, it's all good, I think we're done here.

Sick burn on the iron comment, you really got me where it hurts. I'll leave you clowns to it, every second invested into discussing things with the Sonny and Cher of hatred is making me into more of a clown than I already am!

 

[Grays_1890]

I didn't ask what the issue is, again it must be a comprehension problem. If you're just going to imagine I ask a question and then answer that one with a copy and paste from some NF propaganda it isn't a discussion. What do you mean by confronting the issue? Literally the third time of asking. It will be my last.

FWIW I believe in separation of church and state alongside tolerance of different faiths, it gets interesting when you look in to tolerance in intolerance and where that threshold lies but that's a whole other conversation.

I find it incredible that people genuinely believe we are some highly influenced Islamic state, literally live in South London, go to East London to see my folks once a week and work in Central London whilst travelling the country regular and there is hardly any evidence to the level being painted here. Yes there are communities that are evident by their ethnicity or religion but that's true of Orthadox Jews as it is practicing Muslims as it is Sikhs as it is Bengalis as it is Chinese and Korean communities. The idea that any are a threat is just Yaxley levels of bullsh1t and fear mongering.

I love also how those with such issues have been caught holidaying in Dubai, its just blindblowingly stupid

The whole Halal stuff makes me laugh too, literally a difference about how an animal is killed, us Jews have the same traditions and people seemingly love and embrace them. Fat cnuts scoffing battery fed chickens at KFC and not caring where their food comes from generally all of a sudden care how some meat is presented on their plate.....I wonder why.

 

[SkipRat]

Are these historians you speak of in the room with you right now?

No apology and / retraction of the comment then? Stick to your laughing emojis, that's a more mature way of discussing things rather than holding yourself accountable for your words I guess petal, you do you.

No it was said in a 2 part documentary regarding Britains involvement in the slave trade and the lengths the British went to end it, that was done by the BBC that came out some years ago, when the BBC was half decent.

Got nothing to retract... been factually correct about everything i have said.

 

[Batspur]

Describing an issue (whether its a paranoid delusion or not) is not confronting it so okay, it's all good, I think we're done here.

Sick burn on the iron comment, you really got me where it hurts. I'll leave you clowns to it, every second invested into discussing things with the Sonny and Cher of hatred is making me into more of a clown than I already am!

I guess the first step is accepting we have a problem with Islam and accepting the religion of peace has no place in a modern western society. It's all too easy to look away and pretend everything is fine and we don't have a growing 2 state country. Muslims woke up seriously last election and realised they have a huge voting bloc. It's happened before in moderate countries from Jordan, Libya and even Syria. But it won't happen here or in Europe. Definitely not.

 

[spurspinter1]

No it was said in a 2 part documentary regarding Britains involvement in the slave trade and the lengths the British went to end it, that was done by the BBC that came out some years ago, when the BBC was half decent.

Got nothing to retract... been factually correct about everything i have said.

Well that's a convenient little edit there chum, I had no idea I was debating with the ministry of truth!

If it means that much to you that when called out you'll go back and cover your tracks I'll give you the win, it's sort of cute but pathetically sad simultaneously. As I've already said to dumb (yes that does make you dumber as I no doubt would have to explain), I'm out, you two can agree with each other as long as you like! Good luck combating the islamists with their ray guns or whatever - GG.

 

[DTA]

Funny how it's Brits are constantly judged for what we did in the past.

But don't judge Islam for what it did in the past. Different rules for us, only white people get called out for the stuff they did.

And you may well have given rights to women, but it doesn't stop the fact that across large parts of the Islamic world women are being refused an education, forced to wear a hijab or risk being beaten. Afghanistan, Iran, Indonesia, Pakistan, Sudan, and look at how they treat women, arranged marriages. Even Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, I wonder what's going on over there, all gone quiet now they are wests new best friends.

Is amazing how you ignore huge chunks to justify your claim.

And your right go to a country like Malaysia, and it's completely different, and it's pretty moderate and chilled, yet still even women treat differently and have less rights then men.

Yeah, Islam treats women just fine and equal if you ignore most of the Islamic world.

Again I thought you wanted a “proper debate” ?

So two things, firstly you said:

“Is amazing how you ignore huge chunks to justify your claim.”

What is the claim, that I am justifying, please quote me as I have you, for the sake of clarity. So we can debate it.

Secondly answer the two very straightforward question on my previous post.

Please don’t go off into another tangent, as it actually prevents or delays a “proper debate”.

I’m not being facetious here, to have proper debate, there is actually rules and parameters that we both have to stick to.

You claimed page after page no one was engaging with your views without prejudice and that they were playing the ball not the man.

Well here I am playing the ball, but you have to as well, answer the now three questions I have written since the start of our interaction and we can take it from there.

 

[SkipRat]

Well that's a convenient little edit there chum, I had no idea I was debating with the ministry of truth!

If it means that much to you that when called out you'll go back and cover your tracks I'll give you the win, it's sort of cute but pathetically sad simultaneously. As I've already said to dumb (yes that does make you dumber as I no doubt would have to explain), I'm out, you two can agree with each other as long as you like! Good luck combating the islamists with their ray guns or whatever - GG.

Yeah, I edited it for better sentence sentence structure and a more accurate description of what the Documentary was about.

If the admins want and if they can, they can change it back.

Got nothing to hide.

See, I edited my post again, how abhorrent of me.