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Not sure that's the case

For one thing the CL/EL has expanded to include extra games in January. The other thing was that Celtic IIRC were usually well out of Europe by late November (in that the remaining game(s) would be dead rubbers)

Celtic were in the group stages of the CL that season and so the only difference in no. of games there would have been the additional 2 that have been added to European group stages. No point talking about dead rubbers as we pretty much rotated fully in the early group stages so no real difference overall and doesn't really matter in the context anyway.
 
Not sure that's the case

For one thing the CL/EL has expanded to include extra games in January. The other thing was that Celtic IIRC were usually well out of Europe by late November (in that the remaining game(s) would be dead rubbers)

Yep
Didn’t even make CL in his first season as they lost the qualifier
 
This season Celtic have played 37 games, Spurs have played 35 games.

I would suggest the first half of the season is mostly similar except last season where we only played 41 games all season.

I would say that Celtic are more likely to get cold muscles in a game though :cool:

There you go, take off the 2 additional European group stage games for Ange's last season at Celtic and we're at what we've played this season.

Edit : Just checked wiki and as of 5th Feb 23 they had played 35 games that season, exactly the same as what we've played so far this season.
 
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There you go, take off the 2 additional European group stage games for Ange's last season at Celtic and we're at what we've played this season.

Edit : Just checked wiki and as of 5th Feb 23 they had played 35 games that season, exactly the same as what we've played so far this season.

How many of those games are 'competitive' vs us?
How many games with options to rotate vs us?

We are 14/15th at this point, i would guess Celtic were 1st and probably with a big lead....
 
In the first half of the season when they got smashed
No Europe in January
Winter break

I've said i want a full clearout and new start. Just stating facts. They won the treble and were in the cl. They played the same amount of games as us.
Everyone can argue about level of competition etc... i don't give a fudge.

But just stick to the facts. He has played this many games in the timeframe.
 
How many of those games are 'competitive' vs us?
How many games with options to rotate vs us?

We are 14/15th at this point, i would guess Celtic were 1st and probably with a big lead....

That wasn't the statement i was questioning- it was said he hasn't managed this many games before which he has as has been proven. Not really a big deal.
 
I've said i want a full clearout and new start. Just stating facts. They won the treble and were in the cl. They played the same amount of games as us.
Everyone can argue about level of competition etc... i don't give a fudge.

But just stick to the facts. He has played this many games in the timeframe.

Also, the question mark on the injuries isn't just about number of games. It's about the use of subs, rotation of players and what's happening on the training ground. I can't believe Ange had the age profile of squad in Scotland either. That should work in our favour, but doesn't seem to.

He's definitely managed the sheer quantity of games though.
 
You said "But he has never managed a squad with this amount of games" and Bill went to the effort proving he has.
Ah ok
You quoted my statement that he got knocked out of the CL in the qualifiers which is correct
I should have added the words intensity to comment earlier maybe
But yep as how above he has managed a lot of games like for like
 
From football.london

Numerous Tottenham players have spoken about Postecoglou's chat with them being the deciding factor in their move with the Australian convincing James Maddison to join Spurs rather than Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Lucas Bergvall to spurn Barcelona and Radu Dragusin to turn down Bayern among many tempted to N17 by the 59-year-old.

So what exactly is so persuasive about the Australian's phone manner? He admitted that his conversations are not always a success and that January brought a couple of misses when he did not connect with transfer targets.

"I think there is something to be said for honesty and integrity, and as much as actions speak louder than words, I think I’ve got a pretty compelling story to tell," he said. "When I speak to players, I’m not trying to sell anything that there isn’t plenty of evidence for. I think for most players, that’s where they get comfort more than anything else.

"I don’t think it’s smooth-talking, or selling, I think there’s a real good story here which I really believe in. I speak from a real strong conviction that what I’m saying will come to fruition. I really believe that. I don’t think I need to do anything special."

He also admitted: "You’re hearing the success stories. There are plenty of people where it hasn’t worked out. Plenty. There’s been a couple in this window. You know straight away that there is a disconnect and it’s not going to work. What I’m saying and the questions they’re asking, we’re on a different page.

"And that's not a criticism. People look for different things. You're looking for something that resonates. I definitely don't have a 100 per cent hit rate, that's for sure, but I think that’s part of it as well. I get comfort from that too, when I walk away and think 'Jesus, he's a good player but I don’t think it’s going to be a good fit'. It's not going to be a good fit for him, it's not going to be a good fit for us, so it works out well either way."

So what are the red flags when he's talking to a prospective signing and would he name any of the players he didn't connect with?

"You will have to wait for my book!" he responded. "There are red flags, there are. Like I said, it is because I am 59-years-old and we spoke about knowledge before. With age comes wisdom, which is much more powerful than knowledge. You get a sense of these things. Get a sense of people.

"I think I am a pretty good judge of a person. To contextualise that, not a good or bad person, but will the person fit what I am trying to do. That is the main thing for me. There are fantastic footballers, fantastic people who are maybe not the right fit. I am not the right kind of manager for them. You have got to accept that. It is not a judgement call on a value basis.

"Does their personality fit, does their character, where they are in their careers. What kind of questions are they asking? You get a sense of what they say where they are in their careers, and you go 'that marries up with what we are trying to do here'.

"There are red flags, and I think it is important that there are because the last thing I want to do is bring a player here who is not a good fit. It is not good for me and it is not good for the player either. They have got a big decision to make and they need to know what they are walking into and I try to paint as clear a picture as possible what they are coming into.

"There have been times when players have said 'that is not for me'. I respect that. I would rather have that than agree and everyone is happy and the worst thing you can do is have got a great contract and great money and you are not happy and you realise that is not the important thing."

Postecoglou explained that he is not utilised to speak with every player that crosses Tottenham's radar.

"I don’t like having conversations unless I think there’s a real interest there from both sides. It ends up a waste of my time," he said. "Unless we’re really convinced about someone and we feel like there is some sort of interest coming the other way, then I’m not going to get involved in it.

"I don’t really get involved until everything else has been sorted out around financials and that kind of stuff and I know, OK, this is the final box we need to tick, and they’ll kind of wheel me out then."

Spurs' final moves of the transfer window brought two different age profiles in the teenage Tel and the 26-year-old centre-back Kevin Danso from Lens on a loan with an obligation to buy for £20.9million. Postecoglou was asked whether he had to be convinced about signing so many young players with Danso, Dominic Solanke and 21-year-old Antonin Kinsky the only players over the age of 19 brought to the club in the past 12 months.

"I've been a big driver of it. I feel when I took over we needed to rebuild a squad. This wasn’t tinkering around the edges, I’ve said that all along," explained the Australian. "If you’re going to do that invariably you’ve got to go young and allow them to develop together. We had some experience here which has helped and signing Dom was an important part of that. Kevin to an extent because he’s a little bit more experienced.

"Again, that doesn’t mean I’ll see the fruits of that labour. That’s the nature of it, but I’ll always makes decisions I feel are best for the football club and to bring success, that’s the way I’ve worked. All these decisions, I’m as much a driver of as the club. No-one has been thrust upon me who I don’t think is going to fit."

That in itself is surely a sign of some security within his job for the Tottenham head coach?

"I'm not interested in security. It doesn’t exist in the modern game no matter what anyone tells me. Somebody can say 'hey Ange we're right behind you' and then you know.... I mean I've lost him (points to one reporter). I'm down to Ali and that's about it. We're ok, we're solid yeah?" he turned and asked of football.london, prompting a jokingly half-hearted "yeah...." in response which drew a worried exhale of air and laugh from the Australian.

He continued: "I know it’s not the real world. Ultimately, the real world exists around if I keep getting results then I’ll be OK and if I’m not then the inevitable pressure that’s been on me for what feels like the last three or four months will still be there. There’s no guarantees about anything but I don’t care about that.

"Being a manager especially in today’s world you can feel so isolated and so vulnerable, and I don’t feel that. I feel like the playing group is rock solid, the staff are rock solid, I feel supported and that’s all I can ask for. Where that takes us, time will tell. I firmly believe it will take us to success, but there’s no guarantees and I understand that."

Postecoglou would love to call upon Micky van de Ven and Cristian Romero to help him on that road to success but both of his key centre-backs are struggling to regain confidence in their bodies after picking up injuries on their returns to action in December against Chelsea.

It is reminiscent somewhat of the way Richarlison took longer than expected to return and Spurs and Postecoglou were ultra-cautious about him coming back into the team. At one point the Spurs boss told the media to stop asking about the Brazilian because there was no set timeframe and he admitted understanding the feeling from the outside that it was dragging on with the centre-backs' returns.

"It probably does [feel that way], it’s probably why I get asked about it on a weekly basis and I understand it, they’re two significant players, but I think whenever a player is out for a significant amount of time and gets reinjured, then you err on the side of being cautious," he said.

"We could take risks with both of them, for sure. Football is funny, they may be able to get through 70-80 minutes, but the fact that there is a risk there and with everything we’re dealing with at the moment, I don’t see the sense in pushing that through. They’re different cases, of course, but they’re both so invaluable to us that I guess the one thing I’m looking at is that when we bring them back, I want them to stay back, because we can’t afford to have another player in that position having a setback after losing Radu.

"What we’ve done with Richy has worked really well for us, this time. The first time he came back, he got reinjured. He’s playing more than I want him to at the moment, which is not great, but he looks strong, he feels a lot better. He was convinced when he came back that he was ready to go. I guess I need to get to that space with Micky and Cristian where they feel like, ‘Yeah I’m ready for the Premier League and whatever else we need to tackle’."
 
One player who has looked sharp in recent games is captain Son Heung-min and the long-serving South Korean star is desperate to bring a trophy to the club. He will have extra determination to take Spurs into a final if they can avoid defeat at Liverpool in Thursday night's Carabao Cup semi-final second leg.

"Sonny’s been outstanding for us. I’ve said before with Sonny, the extremes we’ve had to put on him this year, it’d be tough for anyone to carry the load he has both from a physical perspective, a mental perspective," said Postecoglou. "I think he was unbelievable against Brentford at the weekend but that’s because he only played 45 minutes on Thursday night.

"Now we haven’t been able to do that. If we had the opportunity to give him the rest he needs to be at his best I think we would have seen it, but I think he’s got a real clear focus in his eye that he senses an opportunity for us as a football club, not just for himself, to have success this year.

"Ben Davies is another one who’s really stepped up in recent times. Two guys who have been at this club for a long time and understand what success will do for this club. Not just for them personally, which should be a drive, because for Sonny everything he’s done for the club it would be more than fitting for him to get some trophies to add to what already is his status at this club. Both of them realise what it means for the club, more importantly, and he’s going to be a part of us hopefully having success."

He added: "All these experiences, I think it depends how you use them. They give you perspective, they give you understanding, they give you learnings. You can be at both ends of the spectrum where you’ve tried and you’ve failed but that’s allowed you to grow, or you can be at the other end where you’ve never failed and don’t know what that looks like, so you just go sort of blindly into anything you’re doing.

"It’s a balance of both. I don’t sense with Sonny in particular or with Ben that there’s any burden on them or they feel like we’re going to fall short or there’s something missing. They’re as optimistic as anyone. And for the other guys, whatever this club’s been through over the last 14 or 15 years trying to get a trophy, they’ve not been part of it so don’t need to feel burdened. They can just go out there and try and change that."

Postecoglou knows that a big performance and a positive result at Anfield to take Tottenham to Wembley would be a huge moment in Spurs' season.

"There’s no hiding it, it would be massive. We’ve had to beat both Manchester clubs to get to this point, we’ve had beat Liverpool to be in this position now," he said. "To get to a final, it’s going to be hard-earned. Going to Anfield, the way they’re going this year, they’ve been an unbelievable team, they’re so consistent, they’re the most settled, injury-free team in the whole league.

"Apart from us, they’re the only ones in all the competitions, still having a crack at all the competitions. All those ingredients, if we manage to overcome that and get to a final, it would be massive.

"Massive for where we’re at, massive for our future. I’m sure it will accelerate the growth of our players and the belief in what we’re trying to do. In that context, it’s a massive night for us, but I think we’ve earned the right to be in this position, even though it’s been a real, difficult season for us. We’ve earned the right to make a big impact."
 
I'd still like Ange to acknowledge the work that was done before he joined including the academy. He talks about "rebuild" but that has come as much from Porro, Udogie, Spence, Romero, Sarr, Biss, Bents, Kulu and not just the new guys. Most of these core guys have done way more than the older pair Davies and Sonny that he talks about.

I've always found it interesting that Ange has had a convenient narrative that this project started when he walked through the door. It really didn't. So much good work was done in the 2 years leading up to his arrival.
 
I'd still like Ange to acknowledge the work that was done before he joined including the academy. He talks about "rebuild" but that has come as much from Porro, Udogie, Spence, Romero, Sarr, Biss, Bents, Kulu and not just the new guys. Most of these core guys have done way more than the older pair Davies and Sonny that he talks about.

I've always found it interesting that Ange has had a convenient narrative that this project started when he walked through the door. It really didn't. So much good work was done in the 2 years leading up to his arrival.
fudging hell, so this is todays nit-pick? Can't wait for tomorrows.
 
'Being a manager especially in today’s world you can feel so isolated and so vulnerable, and I don’t feel that. I feel like the playing group is rock solid, the staff are rock solid, I feel supported and that’s all I can ask for. Where that takes us, time will tell. I firmly believe it will take us to success, but there’s no guarantees and I understand that."
This is all that matters.
Supporters can imagine all kinds of going ons, dynamics, negativities they want (and they will)...they are the ones that appear to need the mental support.

Ange has always given the impression he's a strong fella, pretty straightforward and uncomplicated in his approach. Comfortable in his own skin.

Ironically it's the fans (not all of them) that are the odd one out in supporting him.
 
I'd still like Ange to acknowledge the work that was done before he joined including the academy. He talks about "rebuild" but that has come as much from Porro, Udogie, Spence, Romero, Sarr, Biss, Bents, Kulu and not just the new guys. Most of these core guys have done way more than the older pair Davies and Sonny that he talks about.

I've always found it interesting that Ange has had a convenient narrative that this project started when he walked through the door. It really didn't. So much good work was done in the 2 years leading up to his arrival.

Yes, good work was started, and this club was in a shambles when he came through the door. It was a mess on and off the pitch. I don't think it is a 'convenient narrative' at all, I think it is accurate. You can have made an amazing meal
using ingredients which had been brought in by a previous chef, but without your recipe, the me doesn't get made!!! I think there are two truths and no intentional reframing whatsoever on his part.
 
Yes, good work was started, and this club was in a shambles when he came through the door. It was a mess on and off the pitch. I don't think it is a 'convenient narrative' at all, I think it is accurate. You can have made an amazing meal
using ingredients which had been brought in by a previous chef, but without your recipe, the me doesn't get made!!! I think there are two truths and no intentional reframing whatsoever on his part.

Nope, we weren't in a shambles. We were in the middle of a process to change the club at all levels.

"In the middle" are the key words.

The shambles were 2 years prior. There is always a latency.
 
You can have made an amazing meal
using ingredients which had been brought in by a previous chef, but without your recipe, the me doesn't get made
What if your recipe is perfect but your spatula turns into a sprig of Deadly Nightshade, and your frying pan turns out to be made of arsenic and your left winger is too weak?
 
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